Pac-10, Big 12 conference expansion would be a boon for all involved, including WSU
by Jeff Nusser on Jun 3, 2010 1:22 PM PDT
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PrintOK, here's my instant reaction to the Rivals.com report that the Pac-10 is set to invite six teams from the Big 12 to create a 16-team mega conference -- with the enormous caveat that I'm not sure I believe such an offer is imminent.
But let's assume that this is actually true.
First of all, this makes a ton of sense for all involved from the Pac-10 side. The Big Ten was the one targeting mega expansion, and this would be a tremendous preemptive strike from a conference that too often has been too stuck in its archaic definition of student athletics to do the best thing for the conference. No sloppy seconds this time.
The potential for revenue is obvious -- and one of the reasons a 12-team conference just doesn' t make much sense. In order for expansion to work for the Pac-10, the revenue divided between schools in the new conference has to be more than the revenue they could get with the 10 they've got. The potential of that happening by adding Colorado and Utah was slim.
But this? When you add the kinds of teams that the article mentions -- Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado -- you're bringing some serious clout to any potential broadcast rights negotiations. You'd have more than enough programming for a satellite network, and would instantly make yourself at least the second-most desirable football conference to current broadcast outlets.
The article speculates such a move would add $20 million to each of the 16 schools' coffers. Based off what schools in the SEC and Big Ten currently earn, that actually passes the sniff test, believe it or not. And we all know how much WSU could use that kind of increase in revenue.
Now, the larger philosophical argument against expansion has been that it ruins whatever notion of tradition the presidents of the Pac-10 have been clinging to. But this arrangement is actually more like turning back the clock for most of the current Pac-10. Here is what the divisions would look like, according to Rivals:
| Division A | Division B |
|---|---|
| Cal | Arizona |
| Oregon | Arizona State |
| Oregon State | Colorado |
| Stanford | Oklahoma |
| UCLA | Oklahoma State |
| USC | Texas |
| Washington | Texas A&M |
| Washington State | Texas Tech |
Essentially, you'd have two eight-team conferences teaming up to benefit the whole. One would be reverting back to the Pac-8, while the other would combine the two least-tenured Pac-10 institutions with the most desirable Big 12 schools. WSU (and the other Northwest schools) would retain their presence in California and keep their traditional rivals, while Arizona and ASU would replace their presence in California with a presence in Texas -- an equally fertile recruiting ground.
If this is really going to be on the table soon, I see absolutely no downside to this whatsoever from a Washington State perspective. In fact I'll go even one better than that: This would be tremendous for WSU.
Assuming, of course, that this is real.
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At first I was like, WHAT?!?
And then I was like, AWESOME!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Please use the Subject Line next time.
No big deal, it just makes it easier for everyone when you do.
Thanks.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 3, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Subject Line indeed!
Many of us at AtQ don’t care about the subject line, unless it’s a large image.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
And then I imagined all of our atheltic directors on huge beds throwing $100 bills in the air, makin' it rain.
Cha-Ching.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 3, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You gave me an image of a Master P video
except featuring Moos, Woodward and the gang. Awesome…in the most terrifying of ways.
I'm pretty flabbergasted right now.
I never even knew this was a possibility. I’m with Nuss on this in thinking it probably won’t happen, but the fact that it isn’t some crazy pipe dream makes me wonder. It’d be one thing if the article said we were getting Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, etc, but since the Big 10 is looking to poach schools anyway, we might as well take the rest of the Big 12, right?
The first thing you think of when looking at that is “Holy cow, we’re going to struggle.” I immediately thought of Mississippi State or Vanderbilt in the SEC. But when you realize we have a history of getting good recruits that are overlooked, this would only help our cause. Being part of the first giant “power conference” would be a major seller. We’d have a lot of additional TV revenue to help upgrade Martin Stadium and other facilities on site. I mean, it won’t be Phil Knight money, but we’re in dire straights at the moment, so anything helps.
I honestly don’t know what to think. I’d love this for a few reasons, and I wouldn’t enjoy this at all for a few more. Eventually, I think we’d all learn to love this.
The WSU Texas pipeline would reopen and only get stronger with this. So while I may be in a state of semi shock right now, I still think the pros outweigh the cons.
Thanks for making my day, Mr. Nusser.
the only expansion rumors that hurt WSU
are the ones that involve inviting schools from lesser conferences (like Utah), where the major recruiting advantage we have over them is our Pac-10 affiliation, get invited.
the six schools they’re talking about aren’t going to be coming in and stealing our recruits….and it gives us a legit pipeline into texas.
not to mention we’ll be able to replace the practice field bubble with a sheet stitched from hundred dollar bills.
debbie downer note: the whispers would immediately begin about why a 35,000 seat stadium is allowed in this super-conference.
Because stadium size is irrelevant
It will have no bearing whatsoever on the money these teams make. Now, traveling to Pullman will be a different story …
i guess
once this conference is set up though, i don’t see what makes WSU a more attractive option than a team like one of the Kansas schools (who I don’t believe are a part of the Big-10 rumors)
i don't know if i'd emphatically agree with that
the california schools don’t exactly love coming to pullman, and even sterk said last year we’ll need to step up financially to stay in the pac-10 (while I don’t really believe this, it’s at least worth pointing out).
i’d say UW would be advocating us to stay in conference (by way of the state government wanting two pac-10 teams), but even they grumble that the conference clause of splitting apple cup money with us is disadvantageous to them in relation to the other pac-10 rivalries.
agreed
i don’t think wsu would be kicked out of UberPac, i’m playing devil’s advocate. I don’t think it should be dismissed out of hand, though. We don’t bring a lot to the table.
That's where having Bill Moos helps
He’s well connected, and when he tells others that we’re going to become one of those schools that will bring a lot to the table, he’ll have a track record to point to.
fair enough
I just envision this expansion happening, and after about 3 years of Texas and Oklahoma having to come to Pullman, they’re going to go to UCLA and USC and ask what the hell the Cougs are doing here…
Well, here's the thing, though
Under that alignment, how often are each of those teams coming to Pullman? Once a decade?
If you play two crossovers every year
That means you’ll play every team in the other division once every eight years at their place.
I think we will being saying
the same thing about Lubbock, Texas. It’s not like that place is a destination being up near the Texas pan-handle. I know it is bigger than Pullman, but the next closes city larger than Lubbock (200.000+) is 300 miles away. Have you ever been to Oklahoma? The state of Washington has twice the population that Oklahoma has. They just pluck all their players from Texas. The don’t have a ton of recruits from the state or much else going on there. Sorry, I forgot the Thunder. Norman is only a 100,000 and Stillwater is only 39,000 on population, which barely beats Pullman. The Oklahoma schools just have tradition over WSU, but looking at those population numbers and Bill Moos coming in, hopefully we can build more tradition. With tradition and facilities I think we could have no problem eventually competing consistently with the OK schools.
member of CougCenter since 9/2/08
And the same goes for Kansas State
Texas and these Big XII schools are used to going there, and while they won’t be part of the UberPac we will just be replacing them as the most annoyingly remote destination. But the Big XII schools rarely have to come here, much less frequently than Manhattan, Kansas.
As Nuss said, Stadium size is irrelevant
you can’t just go kicking schools out of a conference. You have nothing to worry about. Plus, I love the idea of Texas and Oklahoma having to travel to Pullman.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
I don't think they can kick us out for not be competitive
To refresh my memory I went and looked at the last 20 Rose Bowl games and WSU has been in 2 of them. Cal, Arizona, Oregon State and ASU have not played in a Rose Bowl during this 20 year span and UCLA and Stanford have played in 1. So in terms of Rose Bowl games we have been there more than 6 other Pac10 schools. We are tied with Oregon for 2 trips, so the only other teams more successful in terms of Rose Bowl appearances are UW and USC. These last few years of football has made everyone forget about that. I would also say our other sports are pretty competitive.
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i didn't think we'd be kicked out for not being competitive
i thought we’d be kicked out because we’re not rich and networks aren’t commiting murder for the Spokane market.
I understand
but we command more than just the Spokane market. We get a lot of attention from the western part of the state. When Oklahoma is haft the population of WA state I don’t think we have to worry. We are the same size as Oregon State U and have a larger state—another reason I don’t think we have to worry. Ok State is about 21,000 students in a town of 39,000 very similar to Pullman. They are about an hour away from OKC, which is 500,000. We are near Spokane which is 200,000 plus we get some of the Seattle market. Ok State has OKC and maybe Tulsa as a market, not really a juggernaut in the media. Sea-Tac is the 13 largest TV market and Spokane is 75th largest and the Oklahoma market is ranked 45th. I get your point, but I think we are fine.
member of CougCenter since 9/2/08
Doesn't matter
All that matters is geography, really. We have Spokane, UW has everything West when we’re looking at TV markets.
If Western Washington didn't matter
then why would they think of having the Cougs play the Ducks in Qwest. It’s because there is lot of the Cougar alumni in Western Washington. Almost all my friends and my roommates in college were from WesternWa. When I lived in Western Washington I ran into a lot of Coug fans. I am sure there are Dawg fans that even watch the Cougs when they are on. I have been know to watch some Jake Locker when he is on. Maybe, because I am a sports fan.
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it doesn't matter
you can’t be kicked out. Stop worrying about it.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
You'll have to excuse us.
We have this pesky fear of abandonent for some reason.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 4, 2010 12:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
you can’t just go kicking schools out of a conference
Temple begs to differ.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Temple is a completely different situation
They were never full members of the Big East. All of their other sports played in the Atlantic Ten. It was Temple’s reluctance to fully embrace the Big East that got them thrown out, and that was only possible because they didn’t have full membership.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Every so often...
Texas and Oklahoma would have to come to Pullman. HAVE TO. Awesome.
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by Craig Powers on Jun 3, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
When Texas comes to town it's like a freakin bowl game
Seriously, it’s a spectacle well worth seeing.
Axes Up. Miner Rush - For UTEP Miners Fans
Last time WSU played Texas it went pretty well.
by Jeff Nusser on Jun 3, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Kyle also won a bunch of money.
Not that CougCenter endorses betting on collegiate athletics in any way, shape, or form. But seriously. My girlfriend’s roommate was from Texas. Her boyfriend was a huge Longhorn fan. He gave me 20-1 odds on a $10 bet. TWENTY TO ONE ODDS. I’d have taken that bet if Texas was playing Montana State. He tried to claim that he wouldn’t have made me pay the $10 had I lost.
“Well, I didn’t lose. So, I guess we’ll never know for sure. You can make that check payable to Kyle Rancourt, by the way. That’s K-Y-L-E…”
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 3, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that was the last football game ever where I didn't root for WSU.
I didn’t yet know I was transfering that fall (let alone where) and was a member of a mostly UW family.
It’s kind of sad looking back on the timing of all that. It’s probably karma.
With only 8 teams to a division,
does that mean we get more OOC games, or less? I assume we would still play some teams from the other division…
You might also see two crossovers
Since those would essentially function as OOC games, anyway, and add programming to the potential satellite network.
Bring on the Pac10 Network
Maybe this way we won’t have worry about any of basketball games (or football) not being televised on the westcoast.
member of CougCenter since 9/2/08
Best expansion idea I have seen
Adding two teams just didn’t work, making a 16 team conference and keeping the original Pac-8 is the only scenario I see that would work for expansion. The only thing I would like better is to replace Texas Tech with Colorado State. That way you keep the rivalry pairs/travel partner format in tact.
boo to colorado state
that hurts wsu directly.
I was being facetious.
He’s not some newbie, and I didn’t say “Capitalization and punctuation” or whatever. Sarcasm via text sucks, which is probably my fault.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 3, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I see where you are going
but I will take Texas Tech athletics and money over CSU all day long. A new rivalry can me made. I don’t think to many will be hurt over that, plus they are not in the same conference now.
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the travel pairs thing only matters for basketball
and with a 16 team conference, i’m not sure it would matter, anyway.
How would the basketball schedule work?
Do you still have home and homes with everyone in your division and then rotate around the other division or do you just play everyone once except maybe your main rival?
big east has 16 teams
i’m sure there’s a decent starting point.
I would bet it would be home and home within the division first
Then crossovers. Just like football.
Also
The travel partner/rival thing now becomes irrelevant to us. If the new Pac-8 wants to use the travel partners, great. If the Big-6/Arizona/ASU portion wants to do things differently, who cares? It doesn’t impact us. With 16 teams, any symmetry you had is long gone, anyway.
The guy who wrote the Rivals story will be on the radio at 3:20 PDT
He’ll be on with Gary Parrish: http://www.espn929.com/
He's already been on the radio once, too
Radio show cliff notes version..
Next week they will take a vote and most likely approve invitations to TT,UT,A&M,OU,OSU and Col.
All started from the Big 12/Pac 10 TV alliance talks.
Pac-10 wanted to join the central timezone and wants to start their own network. Fox is ready to launch a network with Pac-10 and wants the best scenario as far as pop coverage as possible. Need answers in 6 months or less.
6 month time frame due to the TV contracts.
Pac-10 is willing to preserve the state of Texas rivalries due to the fact that it drives TV revenue. The Pac-10 is doing what it can to entice Texas. The sticking point is A&M and their AD. They don’t want to deal with the travel.
Pac-10 is forcing the hand of everyone else.
7 division games and a 2 or 3 from other division.
Nothing new or earth shattering that wasn’t in the article. Biggest snag so far is A&M and travel concerns.
If one AD slams this whole thing I will be pissed.
This would be beyond awesome. I doubt the Cougs will ever win a Pac-10 title again, though. Think about it, its like winning the pac 10 as it is now then having to beat Texas or Oklahoma in a championship game. That is a little depressing to think about, but this will make us much better in the long run.
by spencer peaty on Jun 3, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That AD might just be Moos
He’s been on record as not supporting expansion.
However, this is a decision the Pac 10 President’s would make rather than the ADs.
I doubt it
The influx of money that comes with this is impossible to turn down. With this, he could take wsu to places it hasn’t been. Even if we were in the bottom half of the conference, the money coming in would dwarf what the top half teams currently make.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 3, 2010 4:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Moos has said he does not support expansion if you divide up the same pie more ways. In this proposal, we are going from a kids size individual pie to a Costo family size pie. He will oblige.
by spencer peaty on Jun 3, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel a CougCenter Costco Free Sample Day meetup in the future.
One day, no joke, my buddies and I spent 4 hours at Costco just eating free samples. It was the best lunch ever. I literally ate a half block of cheese by myself, and in no way am I ashamed of that. Also, Uncrustables rule.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 3, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You ate a whole wheel of cheese?
How’d you do that? Heck, I’m not even mad, that’s amazing.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 3, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You better watch your mouth.
Or I’ll gut you like a Bread Basket BCS conference.
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Well played, sir.
Bark twice if you’re in Milwaukee.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 4, 2010 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I can never walk
by the Costco food court on my way out without either buying a dog (&coke), pizza slice, very berry sunday or chocolate cover ice cream bar with almonds—O ya, don’t forget about the churros. After talking about this—I think that is where I am going to go for lunch and I can swoop up some free samples at the same time. That is a win-win situation.
member of CougCenter since 9/2/08
was Moos not supporting all expansion or not supporting adding BYU and Utah
and whatever “add 2 MWC schools to play a title game” rumor you heard over the past 10 years?
Freaking boot A&M then!!!
Good riddance. We don’t need any more agriculturalists and mechanics—let them join the SEC. We can take Nebraska, Kansas or even KSU or Baylor. A&M will be sorry if the mess this up. Heck, if we need just one team bring on Boise State, they sure have proven themselves in football—but of course they are not a huge market. Maybe just one of the Utah schools instead. Hopefully Texas A&M doesn’t ruin it—we can hopefully slide another school in their spot.
I think Moos will totally go for this if it put 20mill a year in our pocket. Facilities, Facilities, Facilities.
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Then it sounds like
A&M could screw the deal. They would be stupid not to follow UT. They would also be stupid to not be in conference with USC, UO and UT. Three of the perennial powers of the last 10 years.
I know the A&M president (or AD, I can’t remember) complained about playing in the western time zone, but they mostly would be playing the same teams besides UA and ASU. It is funny that he would have no problem joining the SEC and making the Florida schools travel to their time zone.
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At first I didn't know what to think
I love the Pac10 and what it is all about, but I guess we have to adapt to change. We better do it before we are left in the dust. The Big 12 will be dismantled and bunch of schools will join the Big 10 and who knows what happens to the rest. I don’t want any other conferences getting Texas or Oklahoma. It will eventually hurt the Pac10 if we don’t keep up with the other conferences. We will have to evolve to stay relevant.
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Seems to be picking up steam
Colorados AD said 6 will likely be invited.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 3, 2010 5:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Why does everyone want to break up the BIG 12?
It is a storied conference with a lot of tradition. It should stay together. So should the PAC-10. Let the Big 10 do what they want. I haven’t watched Big 10 sports in years. The new contracts with the Big 12 conference will double annual revenues. PAC-10 revenues will also increase in the future. How much is enough?
Why not merge the two conferences completely and add BYU and UTAH. We can have 4 6 team divisions with playoffs and a conference championship. We can call it the REALLY BIG CONFERENCE. All this has gotten pretty absurd.
A storied conference?
We are talking about the same Big 12 right? The one that’s only been around for 16 years?
Pretty Cool set up
I like the retro Pac 8 portion. I would like to see Tech booted and a nice even “State rivals” grouping by putting Colorado St. in the mix. I have my doubts too that this would ever occur, but it is a heckuva lot of fun to consider- great posts all.
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
This Colorado State thing brings no benefit to the whole
I know people like the cute in-state rivals things, but adding CSU brings absolutely nothing to the table. No money, no big-time sports programs, and no additional television sets. It just shouldn’t happen at all.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 3, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Have you been to CSU?
I have—and they have a sweet frisbee golf coarse on campus. That brings a lot to the table—don’t knock it until you try it.
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by SoCalCoug on Jun 4, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
CSU?
I posted this elsewhere, but in defense of Texas Tech and what we bring…
I’ll defend my school.
The sentiment seems to be that Texas Tech is only in this discussion because the Pac-10 wants Texas. This is almost certainly true. Texas Tech might command the political sway to force Texas to bring us with them, because we’ve got some horses in the state legislature and because there are mumbles that the PUF (Public University Funds) purse strings are held, to some degree, by West Texans.
But that doesn’t mean Texas Tech is dead-weight. We should be viewed as a consolation prize.
Our television ratings are quite respectable. Last year, the Alamo Bowl between Tech and Michigan State set an ESPN bowl game record. Put differently, against a personnel-defeated non-traditional powerhouse, Texas Tech still managed to be the seventh most watched bowl game of the 2009-2010 season, trailing only the BCS and the Capitol One Bowl (between Penn State and LSU, two traditional powerhouses).
Zip back to the 2008 season, and one wonders why the highly anticipated USC vs. Ohio State game — see, two traditional national powers — was surpassed by Texas Tech vs. Texas as the most watched game of the year, the 5th most watched game in ABC CFB broadcast history, and the 7th most watched regular season CFB game of all time. For the record, OU pulling our pants down was the third most watched game of the 2008 season. I consider that fairly good billing for some dusty provincial school out in West Texas.
I’d note, in passing, that DFW is infested with Texas Tech alumni. We would play the second most significant role, if not the most significant role, in delivering that television market.
I disagree, but was just spitballing
The Denver market is the reason the Buffs are in the mix. That game is actually a big deal to those two schools- and that ever expanding region in Colorado is a big target in the merger idea. Far from cute, it is very similar to the special rivalries that occur in the PAC, which we as fans know well as bitter, but nationally they aren’t big match ups. Many were discussing trying to somehow get Vegas in it for a while too. Not sure Tech adds a whole lot more than the entire state of Colorado anyway… but like I said, just tossing out ideas. The Rockies are a big ‘emerging market’ in many current commercial sales pitch packages. Denver, Vegas and Seattle are viewed as big growth areas for revenue and population in the coming decade.
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
Yet CSU and CU aren't even in the same conference now
CU has Denver and is the reason they’re in the discussion. CSU has, what, Fort Collins? Adding them really wouldn’t do anything, especially considering the state of their athletic programs.
Tech actually has a decent program and Texas itself is a huge market.
The dissing of Texas Tech
I have read so much dissing of Texas Tech because “They bring nothing to the conference”. Well, what do Washington State, Arizona State bring to the conference?
What Tech brings:
Last year’s Alamo bowl was the highest rated bowl game in ESPN’s history
2008’s Tech-Texas game was so popular that ABC asked the teams to move last year’s AND THIS YEAR’S game to September for prime-time games in September. Why the hatred for Tech, guys?
Also, don’t forget the Texas has the 2nd largest population in the nation, and in the inevitable 4 16-team conference alignment that is going to happen, do you think Texas is going to settle for having just Texas and A&M in while California has heavyweights USC and UCLA – plus Cal and Stanford? NO – they are not. Consider Tech the, yes, concession to including those two schools in the athletic conference. I.E. – it’s politics!
I think you may have misinterpreted.
People were worried that Texas A&M would be the school to hold out, causing this theoretical Super Conference to fall apart at the 11th hour.
Also, I understand you’re a Red Raider fan, but coming to a Wazzu page and then getting all defensive and saying, “Well what does Washington State bring?” is probably not the right way to go about it. Just for future reference, man.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I want TT in
especially if they would bring Leach back. Talk about interesting interviews. He is like Ron Artest coaching college football—you never know what he going to say. He would be great for the Pac16 network. Classic Leach.
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I'm perfectly happy to have TT in
I think what people were trying to say is that they don’t bring a lot of added value in terms of geographical footprint. But they certainly do with their athletics, which is the case with a number of other schools in this proposed conference.
Could you imagine
being the AD when both Bob Knight and Leach were there at the same time? He should have received some kind of hazard pay bonus for that. It would be like Phil Jackson having Rodman and Artest at the same time—talk about exhausting.
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Of couse we want TT in
because that would bring Craig James and his son in, which means we might get some burn on ESPN.
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Holy smokes!
Take a look at this. All the way down… second to last comment.
Yours truly said:
Crazy thought.
There’s a rumor that the Big Ten isn’t just looking to add 1 school, and may be looking to add as many as 5, making it a super-mega-conference ala the Big East in basketball. If that’s the case, I could see it going down like this:
Big Ten adds Pitt, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska becoming the Big 16. Pitt/Penn State, KU/KSU, Mizzou/Neb are traveling partners.
That leaves Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Okie State and Colorado without a home.
Pac Ten takes Utah, plus the above homeless schools, becoming the Pac16, with a coastal division made up of the original Pac 8, and an inland division made up of Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, aTm, OU and OSU.
…. alright, enough navel gazing… got work to do.
I wish I knew what hallucinogens I was on that day….
Wow. That's pretty ridiculous.
Nostradamus?
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 4, 2010 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember your comment
And I thought it was the best scenario for expansion then as well.
Utah may still be a factor. You never know, if aTm pulls out, maybe they add Utah instead to get the Salt Lake market.
What happen to Texas Tech in this mix?
I think they will come in before Utah. UT and A&M will want TT.
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Developments
Texas President tells Ohio St. President they have a “Tech Problem”.
UW Athletic Director says "Anything is possible, all the way from remaining with the status quo, where we are today, to a full merger with the Big 12 and anything in between.
Oklahoma AD and President are adamant the big 12 stays together.
So, this is interesting
The Pac-10 invitation story is much, much more than smoke. Timing cld be off a little but kudos to Chip Brown and orangebloods.com.
From George Schroeder in Oregon.
All I have to say is: Da roof, da roof, da roof is on fire.
Twitter is taking over the planet.
I’m just glad I never came on here talking about how much I despise it, and then signed up for it a month later. Because that would have been an egg-on-my-face embarrassment.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 4, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I hated it
Too much false information spreads and it comes too quickly. I do trust legitimate reporters using it, however.
Like most things on the Internet
They start off with stupid uses and stupid people, but then smart people grab a hold of it, and they either figure out a way to make it useful for them and it takes off, or they discover it has no value and we never hear from it again (seriously, when was the last time any of you used Myspace?).
Big 12 thought
This is not a bad idea if going big is going to happen anyway. No one cares what Mizzu does but if Nebraska goes to the big 10, I think joining with the pack 10 makes more since than anything else I’ve seen. No way Texas goes to the big 10, way too many cold games. I don’t think the SEC has much to offer Texas either once you get past football. OU and Texas will go together. Texas Tech, A&M and Okie State are political. If you take the big boys you have to take the little brothers :). Colorado has the Denver area.
Pac 10 + Big 12 South
I am a big-time Texas Longhorn fan and a Texas alum. When I first heard the news from Orangebloods.com, I was stunned. Now, I am excited about the possibilities that this merger might bring. Texas would get to bring along its major Big XII South rivals and nothing could be more important than that.
And by the way, it is a silly notion to think that UT would question WSU’s membership in the new conference. That would never happen.
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