College Futbol: The case for men's soccer at WSU
Right now, everyone everywhere seems to have an opinion about the World Cup. I'll spare you mine, with the exception of this: In 2010, a lot of the discussion has moved away from "does soccer suck?" to actually discussing the teams and games with some semblance of passion. This is nothing short of remarkable, especially as World Cup discussion finds its way onto the airways of the same sports talk radio stations that fought so hard to keep it down for the better part of the last 20 years.
However, rather than discuss this year's World Cup, or the stupidities of FIFA in controlling officiating and adopting new technology (nice to know the Pac-10 isn't the only large organization with ineptitude in this area), I instead want to focus on one key thing for Coug fans: Just why isn't men's soccer on the official WSU sports roster?
Now, you might be saying WSU already has a men's soccer team, and you'd be right. They exist as a club team, and they were the 2008 NCCSC champions (woo!). Still, not a single member of that squad receives an athletic scholarship, and as a club team they aren't officially recognized by WSU - meaning they cannot compete within the cozy confines of the soon-to-be Pac-12 conference.
This doesn't seem fair for a group of young men who play the world's most popular sport while taking their regular course load. Especially when their female counterparts at WSU get full-fledged NCAA status and are the ones who draw the most fans, get to go to the NCAA tournament, play on the nicest field, etc. Now, I don't want to get into a fight over Title IX, which mind you is one of several reasons WSU fields a full-status women's team and not a men's. Instead, I want to focus on the future, and just why now is the right time for WSU to commit a men's side into the Pac-10.
1. The money will be there
WSU won't be rolling in the dough they would've been had the Pac-16 come to fruition. However, they still stand to command a whole lot more cash out of their next television deal (regardless of the network) than from their current one. Couple that with the increased exposure the school will get as part of the new Pac-12, and the checking account Bill Moos works with could be commanding millions of new dollars each year.
Finances (namely the cost of fielding a football team) are a large reason men's sports get the axe when the Title IX rules are applied to the athletic department. However, WSU could conceivably add men's soccer and another potential revenue-increasing sport - women's softball - rather easily under the umbrella of the expanded conference.
This doesn't even take into account that soccer is a fairly cheap sport to put on relative to football, baseball, and many other Pac-10 sports. Teams are small, equipment needs are relatively minimal and the largest expense by far would simply be travel. If WSU could find a way to cover the cost of a few plane trips, they can cover the cost of carrying the sport. And, most importantly, it's a sport that could pay for itself. Which brings me to my next point.
2. Soccer can be a revenue-generating sport
Proponents of soccer catching fire in the United States seem to be waiting for a key moment to skyrocket that sports' popularity in this country. That hasn't happened, and I doubt it will, even with Landon's Goal this year following Brandi Chastain ripping off her shirt back in the 90s. Still, the fact remains soccer's popularity has increased at a steady yet remarkable rate in the last ten years, and it shows no signs of slowing. Soccer is due to catch up to many of the other revenue-creating sports in this country in the next 10 to 20 years, and thanks to its low cost to put on, soccer could become a revenue creator very soon, rather than a strain on the athletic department's budget.
3. It opens up WSU to soccer-friendly markets
Recently much has been bandied about WSU putting down some solid roots in the Tri-Cities. After all, it's a growing area, and is a prime location to draw future season-ticket holders from. And if you happen to be on the freeway in Pasco, you may notice a massive youth soccer complex off to the side of the road. Youth soccer has been very strong since the 90s, and continues to be throughout the Northwest. But the Tri-Cities strike me as an area in particular that could give their kids yet another reason to choose WSU over another school.
That's not to say it's the only area the athletic department should be targeting. It irks me to no end that young soccer players in Spokane and on the West Side of the state have no choice but to be Huskies if they want to play Pac-10 soccer close to home. That's unacceptable.
Furthermore, if WSU wants to put some action behind their words with regards to diversity on campus, it helps to field another competitive sport that a large number of minority and international players are passionate about.
4. The sport doesn't actually suck
A lot of people have already figured this out, but just to clarify I'll go over these things again. Offsides? Not so bad, and it makes sense from a tactical aspect. Ties? Also, not that bad. Sometimes life isn't about a black and white result. And there's always overtime for the key matches (I won't get into PKs right now, though). The lack of a "real" clock? Fine, since most refs stick to the amount of extra time they say they will allow, and the game generally ends at a point where the play stops, rather than a buzzer stopping the play, which makes sense. The lack of scoring? You'll get over it, trust me. And the diving? Shouldn't be too prevalent among American players, since it runs counter to what 95% of our soccer fans believe about faking injuries.
5. The fans will get behind it
One of the most remarkable things about attending Sounders FC games has been the atmosphere. The Emerald City Supporters and Gorilla FC fan clubs in Qwest Field remind me most of the kind of passionate fans you'd see at, well, a NCAA basketball game. Or football game. They are loud, they are wild, and they stand throughout the whole course of the game. Sound familiar?
I laugh at the idea that soccer fans are too different to make the cross over to college sports fans. Anyone who 'hates' the fact that soccer fans sing might want to re-think raising their voices to the WSU fight song. And scarves? Team scarves are pretty cool in their own right, and quite frankly necessary anytime after October in Pullman. Soccer fans are organized, which is nothing new for Coug fans who want to do the gator chomp or do any number of chants. And the whole stadium-to-stadium callback of "Seattle" and "Sounders" is eerily reminiscent of our "Goooooo" "Coooouuuugggsss". Soccer and college are such a natural fit it makes me hard to believe they haven't been brought together already.
And that's the thing that blows my mind about all this. If you've seen any of the exciting matches of this World Cup - USA/Algeria and Italy/Slovakia come to mind - would it not be absolutely incredible to see that sort of game played between the Cougs and Huskies? In front of 30,000 strong at Martin Stadium? You can't tell me you wouldn't be going crazy if Landon Donovan was a Coug and the ball going into the net crushed the Huskies' chances instead of Algeria. It would be like the bubble screen to Trandon Harvey, or the wide open catch by Brandon Gibson. Same euphoria, different sport.
Why isn't soccer big yet in the NCAA? I'm not sure. Part of it is a lack of interest, but that's building. Part of it also has to be that the best young players can go to Europe and get paid, but it's the same in basketball and that hasn't changed much (save Brandon Jennings). And some of it has to be that schools like WSU just aren't even fielding competitive teams yet at the highest level. That we can change.
There's a little bit of a chicken and egg thing going on with college soccer. What comes first: the sport itself or the fan support? I'm not sure. In a lot of ways they go hand in hand. And I'm shocked that the sort of atmosphere we see for the Sounders hasn't yet come to the NCAA. But it will. It may take 20 years, but I'm confident at some point a soccer Apple Cup could provide a similar fan environment to the football version today.
It's going to take time, and maybe some of it is a dream, but soccer is arriving in the U.S. And if WSU wants to be a part of it, what better time to start than right now?
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On the Title IX Question
I know Grady didn't want to turn this into a Title IX argument, so I'll be brief
I think Title IX is good. But I think Title IX advocates, when they passed, could not have forecast the financial reality for most major college programs: Football generates almost all the revenue for most Division I athletic departments. Problem is, it takes 85 scholarships to do it, which throws the proportionality calculations way out of whack. Schools have to have multiple women’s sports just to make up that difference because there is no comparable women’s sport to balance out football.
To me, the solution is simple: There should be a provision that removes FBS football from Title IX calculations entirely. The disproportionate financial benefit that team brings to a department means it’s stupid, frankly, to count it like every other sport. It’s not like every other sport, and leaves departments such as WSU trying to catch up with multiple “cheap” women’s sports (crew, swimming, golf, etc.) at the expense of men’s sports.
If football were simply removed from the equation, you could add sports such as men’s soccer and wrestling — which has virtually ceased to exist as a sport past high school — with very little financial investment, since the facilities already exist.
OK, maybe that wasn’t all that brief. Sorry.
by Jeff Nusser on Jun 30, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
additional WSU specific information
Here’s WSU’s Equity Disclosure Act. They have a few other interesting reports on the site as well.
EQUITY IN ATHLETICS DISCLOSURE ACT (EADA) REPORT
Its been awhile since I have gotten into the Title IX discussion, but there are basically 3 criterion for deciding if a school is compliant.
Most schools will match-up scholarships and budgets which have to reflect the student body. Last I heard WSU was 53% male, 47% female – so 53% of the goods can go toward men’s programs/scholarships/etc. They find ways to get around coaching salaries, but scholarships and program funding is usually pretty close to these marks.
Typically programs will pair up ‘like sports’ so basketball to basketball, etc. When you have a program like football you have to pair it up with multiple sports to overcome this. Mainly crew takes a huge chunk of this “make-up weight” for WSU. That is why the crew program can afford the $250k boats that they cruise around in ;-).
If WSU added men’s soccer, it would more than likely definitely require women’s softball to work numbers-wise, but I’m sure they would reshuffle teams to pair them up with their proper sport. So men’s soccer and women’s softball would more than likely not be compared to each other, but their gender counter-parts.
I love Nusser’s idea of dropping football out of the Title IX, but that would be a long shot in my eyes. You would probably have to make some concessions to do that, and I’m guessing coaching salaries might be brought into the board room. If that were the case, men’s basketball coaching salaries would throw things off like football does right now.
Food for thought, but I do like soccer and it would be a great addition Title IX aside…
by LeaveItToWeaver on Jun 30, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the more recent EADA data
I’d been using this for some other stuff, but this is a different way to look at all schools.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry, NCAA soccer is very different
Don’t like ties? College soccer has two 10 minute overtime halves to minimize them. Think soccer players get too tired playing full games? College soccer uses little league substitution rules (unlimited, can’t re-enter in the same half). Clock counting up confuses you? The NCAA uses a clock that counts down and stops for goals, injuries, and stalling.
All told, it’s a vastly different game then international soccer.
On the plus side, look at the players that have come through college soccer. That’s a good chunk of our current national team.
To name a few
Bocanegra, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Dempsey, Edu, Feilhaber, Onyewu. And thats just the current members. Add on Davies, Lalas (yes the red headed guy from ESPN), Keller, Mathis, McBride, Pope, and Reyna and you’ve got a list of some of the best American soccer players in history.
Another view
I agree that WSU should bring thier men’s soccer program into the forefront. I also believe that a women’s fastpitch team should be established at the NCAA level. The PAC10 is by far the most dominant conference in women’s fastpitch and it is embarrassing that WSU doesn’t have a team competing at the NCAA level. I am a baseball fan that appreciates the game of fastpitch, and I am so tired of hearing about UW fastpitch!!! Am I the only Coug that has a problem with UW competing for National Championships with players from the State of Washington, and WSU doesn’t even have an opportunity to knock them down a few pegs?
Would adding men’s soccer along with women’s fastpitch settle any Title IX issues?
If I remember right
Adding the two would fit under Title IX.
However, adding two non revenue sports is not always a financially prudent option, especially considering the budget problems facing WSU.
Maybe the influx of money from a new TV deal will help with that.
by B Money on Jun 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
True
As long as they’re both funded equally, I think you’re safe.
There would need to be a significant jump in revenue from other sports (football) for this to be financially viable.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 30, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Travel may be one concern
Dipping into the scholarship endowment is also a money issue. While I doubt soccer and fastpitch would have a high number of scholarships, they’d probably be run like baseball, the two sports would require some help in the scholarship department.
DO NOT underestimate the travel expense for our teams
It is not small. And if you were starting up two new programs, you’d be traveling a disproportionate amount of the time for your nonconference contests until establishing a reputation.
by Jeff Nusser on Jun 30, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
No I dont either.
Travel and scholarship funding create what could be a mess when combined while starting two new sports. It doesn’t help that were in the middle of nowhere and travel is a serious issue for all of our sports.
On the other side, scholarships and aid would also be significant. I should probably look up what a normal mens soccer scholarship allotment is.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 30, 2010 11:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That release from the guy above
Said it’s 9.9.
by Jeff Nusser on Jun 30, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't agree with your assertion that soccer can become a revenue sport
Heck, men’s basketball is barely a revenue sport.
That said, I’m behind this 100 percent … in about five years. Starting two sports right now would be the equivalent of using your tax refund as the down payment on a shiny new car while your house is on the verge of foreclosure.
Use the new money to upgrade the sports that truly bring in revenue — build facilities, pay coaches, etc. — and make those revenue streams stronger than ever. Then reinvest that money in expanding our D-I offerings. We simply cannot put the cart before the horse.
But that would be a sound financial choice
And what’s the fun in that.
Besides all the best run AD’s already work like that, why try and ape their style.
by B Money on Jun 30, 2010 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair point
I’d counter-argue that you instead wait unti the new TV deal is signed. Then you’ll see a huge boost to WSU’s revenue.
by Grady Clapp on Jun 30, 2010 2:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And I'd counter-argue that there are a number of better things to do with that initial money.
Things that will guarantee two new varsity sports will be sustainable long term.
Huskies have had 6-10 players in MLS for most of the decade
One is even returned to UW and is now coaching. Producing pro players helps drive donations, either from the players themselves, or from the fans who get to know the team through them.
Another option would be to copy the BYU soccer program and compete in the PDL
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From the VP of WSU Club Soccer
First of all, thanks for the great shout-out. We worked extremely hard to win the championship and unfortunately did not have the funds to continue on to nationals in Tuscaloosa. I know that everyone on the team would agree that we would love to see soccer become a varsity sport here at WSU. I completely agree with you that soccer could produce extra revenue for the university while the Pacific Northwest continues to produce great talent. This would allow for quality recruits and quality teams which would only strengthen the support for the team and athletic funds. Thanks for another great read and GO COUGS!!!!
I have some major problems with this entire idea… soccer is already at WSU. If you want to watch it you could easily go and watch the very successful women’s team or the very successful men’s club team. Why would WSU need a men’s team?
Here's another way to look at that question ...
… Why should WSU’s male soccer players settle for second class status? It’s not just about having a spectator sport, it’s about the obvious gap in competitive opportunities and scholarships that Title IX enforcement has created in soccer.
Here’s hoping that the law gets changed and men’s soccer in DI can start growing again after 15 years of zero growth. And when/if that happens, here’s hoping the Cougars are in the mix.
I think “second class status” is grossly misplaced in thaal. This whole conversation about adding a sport when WSU can’t even support the sports it ht context considering the general nature of women’s sports on college campuses in general is quite ridiculous, as is the general context of acting as if male soccer players are some how wronged by the situation. I will buy that once the actual gap in participation and value of men and women’s sport is actually genuinely closed.
Frankly, I would be much more comfortable with this whole idea if more fans and supporters actually turned out for more of the women’s soccer games.
Attendance of women's soccer games should have absolutely no bearing on this conversation
That’s a red herring. I don’t know what you’re talking about with the “gap in participation and value of men’s and women’s sport is actually genuinely closed.” I’d love for you to expand on that.

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