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PAC-12 ALIGNMENT: The scheduling debate

Larry Scott has another important decision to make that affects the future of the Pac-12. While the focus has been on how to align the division in the Pac-12, he also needs to decide how many games the conference will mandate.

Now that we're all tired of discussing how to align the division, the other question that needs to be answered is how many conference games are played each year. Currently, the Pac-10 plays a nice and tidy 9 game round robin. Everyone plays each other and we can easily determine a champion. All of that goes out the window with expansion.

In order to answer the question, every school needs to prioritize what is important to them in a conference slate. Recruiting, national implications, revenue. and rivalries all are affected in some way by choosing either 8 or 9 games. Both choices have pros and cons in what may be a polarizing argument,

To me, there's little question what should be done. A quick look at every other conference with more than 10 teams shows that 8 games in the unanimous choice. The SEC, ACC, Big 10, and the former Big 12 all played 8 conference games last year. It's just the way things are done.

The advantages to playing 8 conference games come in the form of increased revenue, a better chance at being a player on the national level, and, for the Pac-12, the ability to schedule games in a neat and tidy way.

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The revenue argument comes from being able to schedule 4 non-conference games. Schools can mitigate the risk of taking a "body bag" game for the money by scheduling a couple patsies at home, raking in the gate that comes with them. A school like WSU may have to travel to Auburn for revenue, but can also schedule a few smaller schools at home for easier wins and a paycheck.

This all ties back in to the Qwest Field game we've been discussing this week. The loss of a home conference game can be offset by an added non-conference game at home by using an 8 game schedule. It's a double win in this situation. The Qwest Field game could draw a high amount of revenue, and technically no home games are lost.

Nationally, conferences like the SEC continue to arrange their schedules in an effort to produce undefeated schools and maximize their chances for a BCS payday. Playing 8 conference games makes it more likely for schools to make it through the conference slate unscathed. The Pac-10, and its round robin 9 game schedule, lends itself to teams beating up on each other. While the conference as a whole may be very good, the standings show teams bunched together, racking up losses against each other. Playing 9 games in a competitive conference puts all the Pac-12 teams at a disadvantage nationally.

Assume for a minute that the conference decides on a geographical alignment with an 8 game slate. Together, these two decisions create a neat and tidy schedule. Teams play everyone in their division and one team each from the travel partners in the other division. Simple and straight forward.

It wouldn't be fair to ignore an 9 game schedule, which is still a distinct possibility. Play an extra game allows another inter-divisional game, perhaps helping recruiting. Instead of playing half of the other division, every school would play 2/3 of it. If the conference splits geographically, the Northwest schools will end up playing in Southern California with greater frequency than with an 8 game schedule, [perhaps appeasing the Northwest fans a little more.

On the rivalry side, a 9 game schedule helps preserve some of the rivalries outside of the traditional travel partners. The California schools can play each other frequently, the Northwest schools can continue their rivalry, and everyone benefits from another exciting conference game.

No matter what happens, the alignment decision and the choice between 8 or 9 games go hand in hand. The common theme between both arguments is that every school in the conference needs to make sacrifices for this all to work. Still, whether it's 8 or 9 games, we've added a conference championship and the revenue that goes with it, a good thing for all. The Pac-12 problems we're encountering are good ones to have.

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The more the better!

Let’s play all 11 other teams each year! (Yeah right, I know that would probably hurt each team more because it is highly unlikely any team would go undefeated and since we are on the west side we would already be at a disadvantage strength-wise).

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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Jul 2, 2010 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Best logic I’ve heard. But would we have to improve the team, or is the money worth going from #10 to #12?

by oldmancoug on Jul 3, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the conference splits geographically, the Northwest schools will end up playing in Southern California every year, hopefully pleasing everyone.

How do you figure that?

by kirkd on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I figure I should really proofread better

I don’t even know what I was going for there at the time.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If North-South and 3 out-of-division

Each WA school could at least PLAY a SoCal school each year

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by Dave Clark on Jul 3, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just checking :)

I was scratching my head on that one, trying to figure out if I’d been overlooking something.

by kirkd on Jul 3, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going back to an 8-game conference slate should be priority #1

It’s nice to say the Pac-10 has had a clear cut champion since the round robin schedule took effect, but handing half the teams in your conference an extra loss every year assures fewer bowl games and a weaker image nationally.

There’s a pretty good chance WSU would’ve been 7-5 in 2006 and 6-6 in 2007 if we’d been able to schedule another winnable OOC game.

by B-Lot on Jul 3, 2010 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

It has to be 8

I have never been a fan of the 9 game conference schedule. Outside maybe the SEC, our conference is the deepest in the nation. With a 9 game schedule, all we do is beat each other up, which is a big reason we almost never get a second team in a BCS game. An 8 game schedule will allow for 4 non-conference games. The top teams can than play it two ways, go the Texas or SEC way and schedule a patsy to pad their win totals. Or go the USC or even Washington way (schedule is ridiculously hard considering where the program is) and schedule an additional quality opponent to drive up strength of schedule and bowl status at the end of the season.
The 8 game schedule is a no-brainier for middle tier and bottom conference programs. If teams like UW, WSU, Stanford, etc can win 3 to 4 OOC games against inferior opponents then all that is needed is 2 to 3 conference wins to get to the magic 6 game win total to be bowl eligible. A middle tier team can win 4 or 5 conference games to get to 8 or 9 wins and get to a better bowl game. This is exactly what the SEC does. All most all their teams schedule inferior teams in OOC, driving up the win totals and reputation of the conference as a whole. At the end of the regular season, the conference has 8, 9, 10 bowl eligible teams. The conference as a whole looks superior and the conference winner with ESPN’s blessing has a God given right to be in the BCS National Championship Game.
Our conference is just as deep as the SEC. What we lack is consistent competition for USC, the SEC has 2 to 3 national powers, and we lack proper scheduling and exposure. Larry Scott is working on the last two problems. As for USC, Oregon is right there, it’s a matter of them being consistent and avoiding sanctions. With as much juveniles and booster (Phil Knight) money down there, it’s only a matter of time. UW has too much money, power, and traditions to remain down forever. It’s only a matter of time before they are a top 2 or 3 conference program again. Several other programs are on the rise and will compete to be towards the top as well. Both Utah and Colorado have the resources to be long term power players within the conference. As the exposure and money grow, programs like WSU will be greatly helped and will be able to compete on a more consistent basis.

by astanfi on Jul 4, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The smart thing to do to compete with the other BCS conferences is to drop back to 8 games and get rid of those 5 extra conference losses every year. But I’m afraid there will be enough pressure regarding the geographic split of the PNW schools away from SoCal that they’ll opt for 9 conference games so as to bump up the frequency of L.A. trips.

by kirkd on Jul 5, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since this is tied to the division format, I say 9

We are all arguing about exposure to other parts of the conference, especially LA. More conference games means more exposure to spread around.

by RobberBaron on Jul 3, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Exposure isn't the problem

The conference network solves that. Even non-conference games will be televised throughout the footprint.

The argument about LA stems from people thinking it’s necessary for recruiting for kids to be guaranteed a game near their hometown every year.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 3, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand this argument; however, not playing in LA every year is not going to hurt NW schools all that much. In the north/south division format, every NW school will play a LA school every year and play in LA every other year. All these games will be on TV. The NW schools will get plenty of exposure in southern California. The key is to have a coach that can recruit and win. Oregon has not played a game in Texas in years, yet they have pulled some kids out of the Lone Star state, Why, because they have had a consistent winning program for the last several years. The argument that we have to play in southern California is way overblown. Just being in the conference exposes you to every kid in southern California. Once UCLA and USC get the kids that want to stay home, the other so-cal kids are gotten by the other conference schools by good old fashion recruiting hard work like they always have been. That will never change. Besides, whatever small number of southern California kids that are lost will likely be made up for the conference openings made into the Rocky Mountain regions brought in by the inclusion of Utah and Colorado. Frankly, many conference schools have a better shot at those kids than southern California kids. So for a school like WSU, expansion east, where there are many many small towns, may very well help recruiting in the long run, regardless of division alignments.

by astanfi on Jul 4, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this will be the reality of how it will shake out. And I doubt this 12-team version of the conference will last more than a decade anyway before the Big-“12” finally implodes for good.

That said, it gets me P-O’d to think that the newcomers Utah and Colorado will have annual trips to L.A. while the UW is stick with as little as every other year (assuming the conference does the right thing and goes with 8 conference games).

by kirkd on Jul 5, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

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