BYU Football Goes Independent, Pac-10 May See Effects
In a move that came out of nowhere, last night word leaked the BYU was opting to go independent in football, joining the likes of Notre Dame, Army, and Navy. This all happened very fast, with a few tweets turning into a snowball effect that lead to confirmation this morning. Now, it appears this move has been in the making for quite some time.
Jeremy Mauss at MWC Connection broke the news yesterday with this story. It should give you an idea about how quickly this went from rumor to confirmed.
The MWC has never been a lucrative conference for its institutions. They boast a TV contract that brings in a paltry $1.5 million per school, despite the quality football being played. Utah and TCU have both had tremendous seasons over the past five years and the conference itself was on the doorstep of an automatic qualifier bid in the BCS.
With both BYU and Utah leaving, not only is that dream dead, but the conference itself may be obsolete. What a difference a few months make. If the Big 12 had collapsed, the MWC was in position to scoop up some of the teams, steal a BCS AQ tag, and likely become a bigger national player. All of that is out the window.
After the jump, I'll break down how this all happened and which TV network put the wheels in motion.
To be clear, the move to independence is for football only. The rest of BYU's sports will join the WAC. It's also highly likely that BYU plays a good amount of it's games against WAC teams, cutting all ties with the MWC.
There's been plenty of rumblings that the MWC teams have been unhappy with the current TV deal. The conference has gained plenty of national recognition, but hasn't parlayed that into better TV deals for its members. With BYU, TCU, and Utah, it shouldn't be that hard to do. Instead, while the Big 6 conferences continued to sign bloated TV contracts, the MWC has continued to lag behind.
On the surface, it appeared BYU was always going to be left behind in conference expansion. It was clear the Pac-10 didn't want them, opting instead to pick up Utah. The stigma that comes along with the religious affiliation was too strong and polarizing for the Pac-10 to fully consider them. Opting for independence was the right move for BYU.
Without a conference to call home -- and the subsequent TV deal that follows -- BYU needed assurances that they would receive the TV revenues that every NCAA school so desperately wants. ESPN -- who else? -- was the driving factor in BYU's move away from the MWC and to independence.
latest post from @gregwrubell says BYU has deal in place with ESPN http://is.gd/enGXh
So, there's that. Once again, the TV networks stuck their hands into expansion and made things happen. Greg Wrubell also states the reason ESPN has been ahead of everyone else in reporting the story stems from ESPN's deal with BYU. They knew this would happen because they'd been orchestrating it. This is what happens when ESPN -- for the 8 millionth time -- becomes the story.
It frustrates me to no end that a news organization creates their own stories by inserting themselves into situations like these. It seems more than unethical that a network can broker a deal and break the news at the same time.
Additionally, it makes me more than uneasy that TV networks are controlling the landscape of college athletics. ESPN paid the SEC hush money -- $2 billion dollars of it -- to retain the rights to SEC football and stop the possibility of the SEC Network going to Fox. They followed that up by overpaying for the ACC. Finally, ESPN stepped in and saved the Big 12. This all seems like a terrible conflict of interest and a road the NCAA shouldn't be heading down.
When we thought conference realignment was finally over, BYU stumbled into the room drunk at 3 AM and tried to restart the party. What will likely follow is another chain reaction of events, this time in the lower tier conferences.
Remember when Boise State joined the MWC a few months ago? They may want to call take-backs. The Broncos can move back to the WAC without penalty and it's likely they'll do so.
In the MWC, teams should be scrambling to find a landing area. Will TCU join Beebe's brigade of idiots in the Big 12? How many teams will the WAC pick up? How much fun will Robb Akey have mercilessly making fun of Boise State? We'll find out, and likely find out very soon.
Finally, BYU becoming an independent shows that any of the big schools could perhaps make the move. USC could threaten independence as a bargaining chip in the new Pac-12. Texas can take their ball and go home whenever they want in the near future should they so choose. Instead of Notre Dame being force to join a conference, other schools may very well choose to leave conferences and join the Irish in freedom.
One things for sure: this was not only surprising, but also a scary precedent. If TV networks like ESPN are allowing -- and even encouraging -- schools to opt out of their conferences by offering decent TV deals, there could be some big dominoes that fall. Stay tuned because the landscape of NCAA football resembles the San Andreas fault line right before an earthquake.
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Agreed
They still try to portray themselves as one. They’re a joke at this point.
Hey look, Favre’s on a plane everybody!
no offense
but I don’t get the ESPN bashing. don’t like it? don’t watch it. it’s like the people who complained about how crude Howard Stern was but listened anyway.
by coug2828 on Aug 18, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem with not watching ESPN is that it means not watching sports
And that doesn’t work for most of the people here.
The bashing isn’t that we don’t like ESPN’s coverage of games. Most of the people involved, or at least if I’m speaking for myself, would say that ESPN’s camera work and many of their commentators are among the best.
But ESPN wants to pretend that they are the CNN of the sports world. And the problem with that is that ESPN buys and sells the the products they report on, making themselves a part of the story. In other words, as a sports broadcasting station I believe ESPN is by far the best that there is. But as a sports news organization, ESPN is too involved in creating the news to by the unbiased organization that they pretend to be.
by 02Coug on Aug 18, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not as simple as just not watching it
When they’re orchestrating the entire landscape of the sport.
But, hey — you dance with the devil (to the tune of billions of dollars of TV money), you get what you get.
Does this mean
ESPN will be televising, if not all, many BYU games? I mean I guess they’re a pretty legit program, but they’re not all that interesting
Sounds like about half on ESPN's networks and half on BYUTV
So in essence, BYU will be using ESPN to also bump the exposure of their own network up.
Finally, BYU becoming an independent shows that any of the big schools could perhaps make the move.
This isn’t really true. BYU doesn’t have to get much assurances to match what money they were getting from the Mountain West. Independence is not an option for schools already making 15+ million per year.
Notre Dame is leaving tons of cash on the table by not joining the Big 10. But they obviously don’t care much about that. They can afford to do this, but not many schools will make that decision.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Texas at least tries to go this route
If ND can rake in 9 million a year, it wouldn’t surprise me if Texas could surpass what it would make in a conference and have the freedom to work a schedule however they wanted.
I don’t see any way that Texas could get 25 mil a year being an independent. They have a lot of draw, but not that much.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Bowl money, NCAA tourney money, pretty much everything they have to split with a conference
Would all go into their pockets. The TV contract is one thing, but when they’re not handing out money to the lower tier Big 12 teams, it becomes a pretty attractive situation.
It's because of the clause they have now
It’s guaranteed money every year, but they haven’t seen a BCS bowl game.
When they did play — before the clause — they earned $14.
Fourteen dollars?
No wonder they haven’t been to a BCS Bowl Game in so long.
by Kyle Rancourt on Aug 18, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
They could buy a decent 12 pack at least.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 18, 2010 3:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Or a six pack of Dogfish Indian Brown.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm obsessed with Dogfish, Stone, and North Coast right now.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my goodness.
I’ve yet to have a Victory beer.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I've often pondered the "Hop Devil" though.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Hop Devil is Brian endorsed.
Sasson du BUFF is an interesting one. With those three breweries it’s really hard to go wrong.
Yeah, I need to try that.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I am a sucker for anything with "Hop" in the name.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
A thread about realignment got beer-jacked by two AUTHORS?
As @reggi3moore would say … smh.
The children need to be educated on good beer.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Also...
Brian started it!
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Also had the Stone SSR.
CDA’s may be the greatest thing ever.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Cougcenter.com
Where not even having a thread devoted specifically to beer can keep a thread from being derailed by beer discussion.
Now to put that on a shirt.
Sounds good.
I actually consider the thread “enhanced.”
However, we must be careful. That last thread was BRUTAL on my wallet.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
There was two bottles of Dogfish 120, so I bought them both.
Then the guy shows me the World Wide Stout and I had to take a bottle of that.
I probably don’t have to tell you how much I spent on those THREE bottles of beer. My Natty Light drinking extended family would be shocked.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I bought a 15 dollar bottle of Jubel 2010
And I’m waiting for a special occasion. The once in a decade Deschutes brew.
The only one I have down here is the Stone.
I’m guessing it will be a frequent occupant of my refridgerator.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Big difference between Texas and Notre Dame...
…is that (until very recently), Notre Dame was willing to play real teams almost every week. Texas
Texas is going to have a tough time filling a schedule of teams that people outside of Texas are going to want to watch. And if they do, they aren’t going to have the same cakewalk to a BCS game right now. As to your comment below, Notre Dame isn’t given a full share of any BCS games it goes to.
i agree with this...
if USC left the Pac-10, what west coast school, save MAYBE ucla, would agree to play them? same with texas….
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY
If there’s enough money in it for their opponents, they will have no shame. Maybe not immediately, but eventually.
Another issue that I have...
You’re coming at this from the aspect that ESPN came in and tried to break up the Mountain West.
I think it’s more plausible that BYU made the moves first (like a jilted lover), and ESPN went along for the ride. Just because ESPN is involved in the decision doesn’t mean they are the driving force.
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If the MWC got an AQ tag, which was looking very likely
A TV contract for the conference would go way up. Why get in a bidding war when they can pay BYU off for a much smaller amount and take care of that right away? It also protects the interests they have in other AQ conferences that they own rights to.
I don’t doubt BYU shopped themselves, but the motivation behind a network buying it seems off to me.
I don't blame ESPN for this...
They are taking advantage of BYU’s arrogance and stupidity. BYU can’t handle being the second most important team in Utah, and that’s the main reason this is happening.
I see no problem that ESPN does this. They’re a business. They want to make money. If BYU could get past their jealousy, they wouldn’t make this move.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
What are they paying for?
It’s not like they’re getting a Texas or USC. Why worry about ESPN overpaying BYU, who really wants to watch them anyways. So they’re paying money for a two day story, who cares. I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.
I agree with jtlight, it’s just business. I’m curious to see how great of a business move it is though.
Which is my question
If nobody cares about them, then why is ESPN dropping money for TV rights? It doesn’t add up to me on the surface.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 18, 2010 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That my friend...
…is a good question. Maybe someone told them it was a catholic school.
That was more my main question
Yes it bothers me ESPN becomes the story, but the main issue I have is with ESPNs contracts. They overpaid the B12 to keep them afloat, overpaid the SEC to stop and SEC Network (I thought), and now they’re paying to pick up BYU. It doesn’t add up for me.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 18, 2010 4:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I really liked and agreed with this write up from Andy Staples on SI.com. I’ve always quietly rooted for Boise St (despite my jealousy knowing that that could and should be us…. a Heisman contending qb from PASCO! C’mon!) And for obvious reasons I’ve loved Petersen as a coach. The man’s stones are already legendary. But after they started blathering that cocky, too-good-for-our-rival, snobbery a couple weeks ago… I just can’t cheer for them any more. They bailed on the WAC for greener pastures (fair enough), threw a few unprovoked insults and threats at UI, and now find themselves preparing for a possible retreat. The potential egg on their face will be well deserved.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/07/30/boise.state/index.html
I'm up for anything that has BYU stumbling around drunk at 3am
that sounds like a helluva party….
"Dude, I totally got with Matthew's 3rd wife"
“Joseph Smith, man! What were you thinking!”
by Kyle Rancourt on Aug 18, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as they are drunk off this...

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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but it is capped at 4%!
Go Utah!
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They also have the tag line.
“Bring some home for the wives.”
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time." - Brian Fantana
Giggle
The Mountain West Conference has extended an offer of membership to California State University, Fresno and the University of Nevada, Reno.
From the MWC themselves
WAC VS MWC FIGHT TO THE DEATH!.
If Fresno State and Nevada know BSU is coming back....
And BYU is being added in everything but football….is there really any motivation to leave the WAC.
by Michael The Coug on Aug 18, 2010 3:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One week ago, the WAC created a buyout clause of $5 million for any school that wants to leave
Yeah, good luck getting them to move.
So now the MWC is grasping at straws
And Boise State is going to have to come crawling back to the WAC with its tail between its legs? Well this makes me very happy. Looks like they’ll be playing Idaho and their “inebriated” fans every year again.
by Michael The Coug on Aug 18, 2010 3:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless something drastic happens, that looks to be the case
After BSU left, the WAC put in the buyout penalty. It also looks like BSU has a grace period if they have buyers remorse with their MWC decision, allowing them to come back with no penalty.
Perfect for them
They can come back and give an apologetic press conference, hopefully sounding like Eeyore when they do it. Any one else going to DVR that?
by Michael The Coug on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
from fresnobee.com, apparently Fresno State will accept MWC invitation
by ximiankernel on Aug 18, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Off topic, but
Why does Fresno State go by that name instead of Cal State Fresno like many of the other Cal State schools?
They aren't the only one
San Jose State, San Diego State, Chico State, Long Beach State …. all Cal State Schools
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Also ...
Just remembered from my days of attending San Jose State … before they were a state college, they were just San Jose College. That might have something to do with it as well.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
I have lived in SoCal for 10 years now and now I think I get the CA system.
All those schools are state schools. San Jose State is actually Cal State San Jose. They just call it San Jose State. I think it is more of a marketability thing and nickname. What sounds best. The California college system is huge and crazy.
Examples:
Long Beach State – Cal State Long Beach – which people use interchangeably.
San Diego State – Cal State San Diego
Fresno State - Cal State Fresno
Cal State Fullerton – not Fullerton State
Humboldt State – Cal State Humboldt
Chico State – Cal State Chico
Cal State LA - not LA State
Cal State Stanislaus
Then there is UC’s like Berkley, Davis, UCLA, UCSD, UC Irvine, etc.
and the Cal Poly’s – Cal Poly Pomona, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo – CalPoly SLO (Slow)
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time." - Brian Fantana
Wow, what an exhaustive explanation
That is what I was suggesting above, just not with the detail … I do love that Cal Poly goes by SLO from time to time. Also the name of a brewery there.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Random question?
When did all the CougCenter authors lose their s/n and start going by their actual names? Not that it’s not awesome, Brian Floyd, but I was like, holy cow, I know that guy!
We did a wholesale change and it finally went through this morning.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 18, 2010 3:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya, me too
After a while I realized I might not always live in SoCal and I am not even a native. I could become NorCalCoug or WWACoug – who knows. O well, stuck with the name for now. Just a screen name.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know that they make a general practice out of it
We did it to reflect the high quality work of our site. Using names up front supports the legitimacy we already have.
Yeah I figured it'd be a shot in the dark, best-case.
But who knows. I hate that underscore. But not enough (I don’t think) to make a new profile.
Cougcenter
is growing up right in front of my eyes. Full Names? How professional Cougcenter has become.
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time." - Brian Fantana
So the WAC may end up being screwed here.
It also would reduce the WAC to six schools in football – Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State and Utah State. Eight schools are required to be considered a football conference.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd read somewhere that the WAC was going after UTEP now
Aren’t the smaller conferences cute with their expansion?
UTEP!
That gives them the lucrative Chihuahua market.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the LA schools had Beverly Hills covered.
by J.J. FeKl on Aug 18, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ZING!!!!
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
You’ll just have to make due with the “rec.”
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
doubt UTEP would leave C-USA
they at least have championship game money.
i bet North Texas and/or Arkansas State could be pried from the Sun Belt, though. The two UL-Directional schools might work, too…
Memorial Stadium
or my backyard.
play in the parking lot then
the whole seattle u thing was a joke… i’m not sure how far i want to take this.
BSU ain't going back
For all the folks who think BSU will go back to the WAC I got one for you: AIN’T HAPPENING. Not now. Not next week. Not next year.
So you can put that dog to bed. We worked too hard to move up and NO WAY are we going back to the WAC .
Besides, even without BYU the MWC is a stronger conference. Trust me: BSU is onboard for the long haul.
It might be a stronger conference, but really not by much anymore
At least, not in the way that matters — it’s not going to be an AQ conference anytime soon.
I'm not sure I buy that it is a stronger conference without BYU
I’m not going to dig through stats and schedules, but it seems to me that BYU was rather strong through the 80’s and early 90’s and has seen a bit of a resurgence of late even reaching top 10 rankings.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
BYU network
Does increased football coverage mean they’ll have to cut back on how many times a week they can show Anne of Green Gables? it better not…..
My parents had Dish Network when I was in high school and we had it.
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by Craig Powers on Aug 18, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
somehow I have it
comcast 232 where I am, and I guess it’s BYUTV, quality programing like you wouldn’t believe
Yeah, it's comcast 232
Just flipped to it and it was like the PBS skit on Saturday Night Live, it was people in front of microphones talking about using the internet to find your geneaology.
I guess it will also have football games now to compete with this stunning programming.
Could you imagine the BYU network?
The advertising would be crazy. Every other commercial would be for Chevy Suburbans. Holy underwear commercials…Steve Young could could be the main TV commentator. Hawaiin Airlines commercials on great rates to the Polynesian Islands.
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time." - Brian Fantana
Hawaiin Airlines.
“Daily Non-Stop Direct Flights From Salt Lake City to Samoa.”
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time." - Brian Fantana
I saw that in a Dish flyer in my mail and thought
“Is that really what I think it is? Is this what dish offers instead of FSN?”

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