RECAP: Washington State Whipped Again, 65-17 By Oklahoma State
Well, that clearly didn't go as planned.
I'm really not sure what to say after this. I know we're all incredibly disappointed. I, for one, thought the days of giving up 60 points were behind us. So in that respect, today was a bit jarring.
However, unlike a lot of you, I'm willing to continue to reserve judgment. The first game of the year can be a weird thing and can sometimes be a little misleading. I hesitate to illustrate the point by reminding you that Oregon scored eight points in its season opener against Boise State last year, because I don't want to give the impression that I think a similar explosion is on the horizon. It's not.
But things do change. This team features an amazing amount of young players. If they don't get better from now until the end of the season, fine. But let's give these guys a chance to mature. One third of today's roster had never played a down of FBS football. One third!We might all be best served to wait until the first quarter of the season is over before making sweeping judgments.
Here's one thing we are not going to do after this: Play the blame game. We are not going to have long-winded arguments in the comments about how it was all Paul Wulff's fault because he didn't prepare his team, or how it wasn't Paul Wulff's fault because Jeff Tuel's mechanics have suddenly gone to hell and none of his linebackers can tackle. It's old, tired, and unproductive -- it's not like anyone is going to bring any kind of new insight to the table. If you want to vent, head over to Cougfan. We're not even going to go there, and if you do, you'll be banned faster than you can blink.
However, there are clearly changes and adjustments that need to be made. If you'd like to suggest and discuss those, that would be highly encouraged. I'd start with making C.J. Mizell a starter immediately.
I will leave you with one final thought. This is a quote out of Vince Grippi's game story:
"We were in the game and then they made a big play, then they made another big play and then we kind of, I don’t want to say give up, but it’s like a snowball effect," senior defensive end Kevin Kooyman said. "It’s frustrating to see all the hard work we had put in, all the confidence we had, and it got stripped away from us real fast."
I'm officially worried about this team's mental state. I'm starting to think they're a lot more fragile than I realized. Boy, am I glad Montana State is up next. I'm wishing we could have started the season with that one.
If you want to torture yourself and read some more about the game, here are the various stories and notes out there:
Oklahoma State drubs WSU - Spokesman.com - Sept. 4, 2010
The Cougars opened the 2010 season the same way they ended 11 games in 2009 and 11 more in 2008, falling behind early, giving up yards in huge chunks and ultimately losing, this one 65-17 before 48,962 at Boone Pickens Stadium and a nationwide cable television audience.
Cougars | Cougars suffer thrashing | Seattle Times Newspaper
It's now past the point where words matter. Only actions will persuade the college football world that this WSU season isn't going where the past two did, after the Cougars were clotheslined 65-17 by Oklahoma State here on the prairie Saturday night. By pretty much anybody's standards, even Wulff's backers, this was awful. He seemed to be saying it was a different kind of awful than the past two years, coming with a young team that doesn't fully know how to compete, and perhaps carrying the deer-in-the-headlights baggage of 2008-09 with it.
Thrown into fire - Spokesman.com - Sept. 5, 2010
Washington State played seven true freshmen, including one, Rickey Galvin, who had four plays and one carry before breaking his right arm. He’ll be lost for the season. The rest had varying degrees of success.
Cougars | Freshman receiver is rare bright spot | Seattle Times Newspaper
Not a lot of bright spots blared forth for Washington State here Saturday night in a 65-17 loss to Oklahoma State, but one was obvious: Freshman receiver Marquess Wilson.
Cougars | 2Minute Drill | Seattle Times Newspaper
Player of the game Kendall Hunter, the Oklahoma State back coming off an injury-plagued 2009 season, ran wild for 257 yards and four touchdowns on 21 carries, despite playing only the first half and one series of the second.
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While today is surely a day I want to forget...
I did see some positives.
While the D was dismal, try were able to force some three and outs early. I also saw some nice hits here and there.
The punt coverage I thought was stellar (at least through the first half, I was drug away at half time by my friends who are casual sports fans at best).
Marques Wilson is a beast, tuel did well protecting the ball (minus that first play which I’m unsure of who is to blame and I’ll leave it at that), and staden could really run and I’m surprised he only got three carries.
I also think the fact that we were able to get first downs and tuel remained upright A LOT longer is a huge step up from last year.
I hope these guys can rebound and relieve their (and our) frustrations on MSU next week.
by tclaus on Sep 5, 2010 2:05 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
a lot of those 3 and outs...
i felt were due to Oklahoma State trying some things they wouldn’t necessarily have tried if they were playing a formidable opponent (they were scrimmaging with us).
I'm with Nusser.
Now, obviously we’re all upset. I knew going into today that we’d lose, and probably by multiple TDs. Still, a sliver of hope remained that we might make it close at the end. A sort of “moral victory”, if you will. Obviously, that’s not the case.
Instead of going on FIRE CPW rants like a lot of other Cougs, I’d like to talk about some of the positives we saw today. Or, we can just talk about how bad the announcers were, and how big of a douche Dan Beebe is. Either one is fine.
Marquess Wilson is going to be a monster. Yes, I realize that was more bad coverage than him making a play, but his 2nd “TD”, he drug the defender a while instead of going down on first contact. Not only does he possess speed and quickness, he’s strong.
For a little while, at least, Jeff Tuel was making crisp, tight throws. As Jeff points out, somewhere towards the middle of the game, he started floating ducks instead of tight spirals, and something had to be wrong physically, because you just don’t lose your mechanics like that. I’m not saying he’s hurt or anything, but perhaps the hit he took on the Wilson deep ball made him anxious. Who knows. What I did like was the scrambling. He didn’t take off without making reads; rather, he looked at his progressions, saw he had room to run, and instead of forcing a ball into a tight window, decided to pick up yards with his legs. What scared me was him diving instead of going into a slide. I know he wants to eek out that extra yard or two, but man, it ain’t worth it. Slide, dude. Slide.
Reid Forrest, or, as the announcers said on multiple occasions, Forrest Reid, was pretty good too.
Nico Grasu. Holy crap. It was one of those “NO NO NO….wait….YES YES YES!” situations on the 56 yarder.
One thing I liked was our defense laying the wood to the OK State receivers. The announcers gave them no credit, instead saying OSU was “dropping balls”. The balls were being separated from the receiver because of hits, not bad hands. Although, I did see one instance of alligator arms across the middle, which made me extremely happy. It never happened again, but still, progress.
The offensive line again looks like it’s going to be a problem, but on a few plays at least, it held. I don’t know what Wulff has up his sleeve, but I’m not going to shout for anyone’s job after one game.
It’s really hard, though, because I’m preaching patience, and I’m the least patient person in the history of ever. It’s also 2:17am and I’ve had a lot of Jameson and Sour Patch Kids so I’m a lot happier now.
Go Cougs.
Wulff must go now.
Sorry if you disagree. This is just one man’s viewpoint.
But he’s clearly over-matched and in over his head. I’m beginning to wonder whether anyone can revive this program.
Sigh.
This is exactly the kind of crap I’m talking about. Go sit in the penalty box for a couple of days.
I get that you don't want the electricity-charged commentary on whether he should stay or go ...
… but are you saying that any legitimate questioning of coaching decisions and preparation are off limits? Second-guessing of coaches is kind of the essence of sports. Sark is getting pummeled over at the Dawg Pound and rightly so.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
"legitimate questioning of coaching decisions and preparation"
Is not what that was. You’re both smart enough to know the distinction.
oh - I agree and wasnt defending that comment
… Just wasn’t sure what is fair game in light of the “I believe in Wulff post”. I have no intention of igniting the situation over here. Last night was tough for Dawgs and Cats alike.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
by Gekko Mojo on Sep 5, 2010 4:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No joke.
If there are legitimate questions and criticisms with regards to scheme, personnel, etc., obviously that’s fair game. What’s not is tired, worn out rhetoric that doesn’t do anything for anyone.
I thought y'all played hard through the first half
Tuel looked great, burned us deep several times. Had me very worried for a while. Your secondary looked pretty good, dropped a pick six or two though. Get the first one and it would have been a tie game. Offensive line played decent for about a half. And shit, a 56 yard field goal? That’s big time. Anyways, good game guys, hopefully y’all can put it together next week and start rolling. Good luck the rest of the season.
by AUKingOState on Sep 5, 2010 7:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
After a nights rest...
It’s tough to swallow another blow out in lieu of a 14 point loss, but the season ending injury by Ricky Galvin may be the most painful part of yesterday.
My expectations were that the Cougs could now hold a tight game against a moderate FBS competitor and injuries would be few and far between (using lasts years Cougs as a baseline).
Since neither of those happened, I think it’s more natural to move to the Fire CPW crowd; it’s year 3 folks! I still have some hope and few three and outs in the first were actually surprising. And thank the lord Grasu has got PAT’s down!
Anyway, let’s look at MSU to show some mental toughness out of the kids after a hard loss and read www.twitter.com/typicalhusky for a laugh…
by IrishCoug on Sep 5, 2010 8:25 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
While I won't say I'm in the "Fire Wulff" camp
I do think we need to revisit whether or not he’s on the hot seat.
What possible value would that bring to any conversation?
None of us know anything about that. Except maybe SD Coug, who I think we’ve learned is incredibly well connected. But the rest of us? Speculation.
Head over to Brand X if you want to speculate. If you want to analyze actual possible changes, feel free.
Revisitation over.
I'm at a loss of what to say
As I mentioned in the game thread, my phone literally broke in the middle of us getting stomped on in the 3rd quarter. That made me get angry at the cougs. This game just sucked big.
But I suppose, it is just one game against a ridiculous passing offense. We should win next week, and get the team’s confidence back up. We can see how SMU looks today against Texas Tech, and go from there.
It could be worse, at least we didn’t lose to Jacksonville State.
Oh, to be Jacksonville State
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
This game isn't a realistic "measuring stick"
I saw a lot of improvement over the last two seasons. I think how we do the next two weeks is a much more realistic “measuring stick” for this team. The guy is actually only in year two if you consider recruiting classes and most of our good players are Freshman and Sophmores. Like it or not this is going to take time, we are not done taking our lumps. The loss of Galvin hurts.
My question is, what happened to the No-Huddle offense CPW was supposed to bring with him from Eastern?
That question has come and gone
Nuss (I think) posted an explanation of the No-Huddle during previews (I think).
My question is: why do you care? Do you think running a no-huddle is going to change things? Is his failure to run a no-huddle the reason we haven’t been successful? What does the no-huddle have to do with anything?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Here's what I saw
I saw the exact same team on the field as I did last year. Yes, there are no denying that there were positives in the game (Wilson TD, Grasu FG). But I’ll bet if we go back to the recap of last years Stanford game, we will see that we saw some positives in that game too, and we all know how that season turned out. Now weather the cause of yet another drubbing rests on the players or the coaches, it’s hard to say. But if we go in to the MSU game looking like we did today, MSU might be the next Jacksonville St.
At some point though, a change needs to be made. I don’t think that the excuses of the past few years apply anymore. There is talent on this team now. We’ve seen glimpses of it both in practice and in the game yesterday. And at some point, you have to stop blaming Bill Doba and start taking a long hard look at the new regime. I know there was the post yesterday about how you believe in Paul Wulff, and that’s fine. It’s your opinion and your entitled to it. Personally, I’m on the other bandwagon that believes that he is just in way over his head. I’m not saying that he is a bad coach, because he did have some success at Eastern. Instead I’m saying that he was the wrong guy for the situation. Right now, we are just looking for improvement. On the field, I just have a hard time finding it. I think he needs to go ASAP so we can find a new coach and hopefully salvage some of the incoming recruiting class. Ted Miller said it, this next game is a must win for him. And I’m not looking for a win, I’m looking for a complete drubbing of MSU. If that doesn’t happen, that’s basically the team showing that they are of FCS talent, which we all know is not true.
I’m trying to be as openminded about this as I can. Maybe the first game was just a fluke, and if that happens, Jeff, feel free to say I told you so. I just have a hard time believing that is going to happen.
Cougar999 version 2.0. Now with a shorter name!
This is blame game.
And at some point, you have to stop blaming Bill Doba and start taking a long hard look at the new regime.
Not interested. See you in a couple of days.
To: HitKing69
I was just asking a question. Its none of your business why I care. Is it going to change things? It might help us improve our offense. You don’t need to get on here a make personal attacks because you don’t like or already know the answer to the question.
Simmer down.
I don’t think it was a personal attack. He was asking if you really thought it would help. He clearly doesn’t think it would. You think it would. Why do you think it would improve the offense?
Oh, and make sure you use the reply button. Thanks.
Beat you to it
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
My timestamp says 9:30, yours 9:31
I WIN! Somebody should be a winner, right?
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go destroy someone on NCAA 11.
My questions were legitimate
And I’m curious how it would improve our offense. I think that engaging in dialogue can help us get a better understanding of what changes can and need to be made. I just remember an ongoing discussion of whether the no-huddle was working when we watched Lopina, Lobbestall, Rogers, etc. stare at the sideline and then rush to the line only to get stuffed, waste the clock and then start all over again. It seems they went away from it entirely last year, so that we aren’t running it this year comes as no surprise.
So I really want to know, how can it improve our offense this year? Do we need a higher pace? An element of surprise? Is Wulff just out of his comfort zone because he isn’t running the offense he is most familiar with?
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I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Positives about no-huddle
Using OSU as an example, they were bigger, faster, stronger. We need to basically do to others what OSU did to us. Take away time to sub and get these guys tired and disoriented. Our guys were rushing to the line, missing coverage assignments, and guys were cramping up at the end of the game. We are going to be playing bigger more polished teams all season.
I understood when we didn’t use it in year one, but we are in year three and Tuel has been here two years. This was supposed to be one of the positives of hiring Wulff, and it was successful at Eastern. I just feel we need some sort of edge so we don’t get ran over on offense all season, again.
The only reason I can see not to try it is lack of depth on the o-line. The offense should have grasped part of this system by now.
I hear you
Everything you said makes sense to me. I just wonder how far from the no-huddle we really are. I get the sense that Tuel hasn’t even tried the no-huddle in practice, so I don’t know if it will help at this point. If Wulff wants to run it, I think it’s too late. He should have run it through spring and fall.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Jeff
are you getting tired playing the intermediary? I’m not saying you aren’t doing a great job, you really are, and I would love to actually get together with you some 12 years after we left Terrace to watch a game, but you must be exhausted responding to all these comments in the last two days.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Meh
It’s better than the alternative. If we don’t mediate, it devolves into message board junk. And we’re committed to being better than that.
As long as we can facilitate good discussion, I’m fine with it.
They were running no-huddle when I saw them
I get the feeling that starting a bunch of brand new wide receivers on the road made them shy away from running out a no-huddle. If someone was at the fall camp, by all means let us know.
Going forward..
-I would hope Fullington is the RT from here on out as he seemed to hold his own. I mean, did anybody notice a big difference from true freshman Fullington at RT and fifth year senior Hannam? I didn’t and that, unfortunately, says a lot about the Cougs troubles on the line.
-While the Juco left side was a bit shaky early I thought they somewhat settled down as the game wore on. The O-line still isn’t great but there aren’t many Jucos that step in and make immediate impacts in those spots. If it takes a JC WR a few games to really find his groove I would expect at minimum the same from an O-lineman. In short, I think the line could be a lot better as the season moves on.
-Mizell for Ledgerwood seems like an obvious change to make, even if he’s still a bit behind on the schemes; Cougs need a playmaker in the middle somewhere…anywhere.
-They might have to think about trying something different at DE, specially Kooyman’s side. I think they might need Rankin more to the outside than at DT, although I realize we don’t really have the depth to do that. Perhaps Pole can get into the DT rotation allowing Rankin to move around because I think they need a playmaker on the edge, badly.
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."
Totally agree on Fullington
And I only caught the second half, but the defensive line looked reasonable for the most part in what I saw. They were tying up linemen, leaving the linebackers to make an open-field tackle. They just couldn’t, for the most part. They weren’t great, but I didn’t think they were horrific, either.
I agree on the D-line..
and maybe this is completely a LB issue (which it certainly could be) but I thought we lost contain on the edge too many times. That was my only thinking with suggesting shifting Rankin. This defense needs one morer Rankin and one more Mizell on the depth chart.
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."
by Matt Gardner on Sep 5, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
"This defense needs one morer Rankin and one more Mizell on the depth chart."
That’s been the story of the last three years.
Oh, and check out Brian’s recap this morning. You guys are on the same page. I only saw one really terrible breaking of contain in the second half, but my guess is that it happened a lot more in the first half. The great news is that’s correctable.
Everyone needs to calm down
OK St. has built a program. They have done it right. Recruits, time and a coach and system in place while kids mature. Those juniors across the front weren’t ‘brand new linemen’ playing their first games of NCAA football, they were seasoned vets, who were unable to break into the starting lineup due to NFL caliber guys in front of them for 2 years. All had many previous reps. Their coach laughed at the notion they were inexperienced. This is year 5 of a gradual rebuild at OK ST w/ more $$$ than WSU will ever have. We were in their house, starting a ton of RS frosh and sophs w/ ‘hopes’ that our revamped O-line (new everything except RT) would manage the day. How realistic was that?
The O-line got manhandled. The D-line didn’t get much penetration. The secondary played like young guys, forgetting to look for the ball w/ regularity. We all saw it. I still say the lack of power in the trenches is the reason the Cougs get dominated. Not Tuel’s mechanics, or Wulff’s coaching, or whatever else gets barfed up as we get throttled. This idea of OK St being a middling Big 12 team? Remains to be seen- but I find it dubious- that is a good coach w/ a team that has improved every year of his regime. They are a burgeoning power… we are a team that is quite young even in year three for Wulff. The stat the announcers gave about each previous Coug coach inheriting at least 14 NFL players was true. Wulff has 3 in 2 seasons.
Let’s give the new linemen, 4 of which are in new positions BTW, a few games to get a feel for it. Same w/ the DB’s- recognition and reps are the only way to learn back there and these guys are all young except Chima. All of them- quite young in a position that requires experience more than any other on the field except perhaps QB.
There were some positives. They were down 17-0, they had fumbled, lost a guy to injury and played w/ sheer jitters. Last year you could pack it in, right? Then, miraculously, they cobbled together some points and drives and it felt better. Maybe things are different we all thought— WHAM- big plays and they clearly lost their juice for it. And frankly, reading the Times forum and other Coug sites- so did our ‘fans’.
Coverage on kicks was a VASTLY improved area of play— both kick off and punts. Grasu nailed a 56 yarder- I wanted them to let him try the 2nd- imagine his confidence had he hit to 50+ kicks- that guy needs confidence. Staden looks to be the guy to me. North south running- and fire in his game. Barton dropped several wide open slants that looked to be nice gainers— his first NCAA big time game. Those connections will improve. Tuel had more time than last year… he got happy feet a few times when he didn’t need to… but he’ll need time to learn he may have some extra time. They are mostly sophs— everyone is calling for freshman to plug in- Fullington, CJ, Wilson- okay… but remember that they are freshman.
Rankin is our big hope at DT- OSU has 4 of him. Wilson looks good at WR- OSU has 4 of him. I am not sure it is as hideous as that one game was… I am not willing to throw this team or it’s coach under the bus. It’s year three and there still aren’t significant numbers of upper class men on the field. It isn’t blame game to note that… it is simply a really sad reality that in my 35 years of intense Coug football following has never, ever occurred. How did 3 straight sets of recruits fail so badly? It doesn’t matter- what matters is replacing them with quality guys… ’09/10 did so… still some time to go Cougs… it takes seasons not Saturdays.
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
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