WSU Vs. Stanford: Andrew Luck And The Cardinal Wear Down The Cougs, Win 44-14
by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 8:32 PM PDT
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PrintThe first half was fun.
The Washington State Cougars defense played an inspired first half of football, forcing two Cardinal turnovers. Unfortunately, the Stanford defense completely stifled WSU and held them to only a short-field touchdown aided by a few pass interference penalties.
The score was 10-7 in favor of Stanford at half, and the Cougars looked poised to compete as Isiah Barton returned the opening kickoff of the second half to the 50 yard line. The WSU offense could do nothing with the field position and they would not threaten again until garbage time in the fourth quarter.
The Cougar wide receivers, widely regarded as the most talented unit on the team, had a very rough day. Senior Jared Karstetter had trouble holding onto the ball. He fumbled twice, dropped a 20-yard gain, and nearly fumbled another catch. Barton and Marquess Wilson also got in on the drop party at times, often putting the offense in difficult third and long situations.
In the end, Stanford did to WSU what they have done to every other team they've played this season. They wore them down and pulled away in the second half. Junior quarterback Andrew Luck had a shaky start to the game, missing on several throws. However, in the second half he was finding plenty of time from his offensive line to connect with his talented tight ends downfield.
Jeff Tuel seemed a little off on his throws at first, but showed off his mobility to escape the relentless Stanford rush. He improved in passing as the game went along, but was not getting much help from his wide receivers. The offensive line also had a poor game, as they were completely overpowered by Stanford's blitz packages.
We weren't expecting to win this game, but it is disappointing that the Cougs were not able to be more competitive in the second half. There were definitely some holes to exploit on the Stanford defense, particularly with screens against the blitz packages. The players were just unable to execute their blocks. We even saw John Fullington tackling his own player, Henry Eaddy, on what could have been a very good gain.
Let's hope WSU can bounce back against Oregon State in CenturyLink Field next week. It was good to get Tuel some reps against the best defense he will see all year and have him come out unscathed. Everything should be easy from there, right?
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My bad for wearing my "Believe" Coug shirt today guys.
I don’t think we’ve ever won when I wear that shirt.
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Ok.
You’re officially my scapegoat.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
You're welcome, Karstetter!
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally wasn't also wearing that shirt...
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I will say this.
Best giveaway ever.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I also have the same feelings towards that shirt. It’s as if the football gods see it and strike me down for hubris…
usually my lucky shirt is “color the court 2007” shirt and I was wearing that to start the day… but shaving our dogs rendered it useless, so I went with the zzu cru shirt :(
I have like three of those shirts for some reason.
They are all old and ratty looking.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This comment is going to come with the same disclaimer that I always give when I say something like this:
I’m not a coach and I may be completely off base with this assessment. Here’s what I saw watching from the stands: we were a team with absolutely nothing to lose, and yet we were playing like a team with everything to lose. When you are in a game against a team like Stanford, you have to take chances. Make attempts to get them on their heels. We did none of that. Obviously our troubles were compounded by the fact that our receivers couldn’t catch the ball tonight if the ball and their gloves were made of opposite sides of a strip of velcro. I just think you have to take shots, especially when you have a team that thrives on “shots” as this team has.
Short version: It was just baffling to me how conservative we seemed to be in our playcalling (or at least how conservative we appeared to be). If you open the playbook, what’s the worst that could possibly happen? If it doesn’t work, you lose by a lot either way. I’m sure Brian will have more on this, whether it’s in support or completely against this thought.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
I would have loved to take shots as well.
And we might have, but Stanford was on Tuel in a hurry most of the time.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I just feel like we had a good thing with this offense based on the pass.
It seems like we are inching slowly back toward the Sturdy of old these last couple of games. While our running game has improved it still is no where near what our passing game could be.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
You are not factoring in Stanford's defense enough.
Our offensive line was not good enough today. Andrew Luck would have struggled with the time we had.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I do get that.
They were all over Tuel. One thing I forgot too: they seemed to be giving us all sorts of space in the middle of the field and we didn’t seem to capitalize.
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It was conservative, yes, but some of it was taking what ASU gave us
Which wasn’t much.
At least we only had one turnover. We may not have been as aggressive as we should’ve been, but we didn’t take ourselves out of the game either. The Stanford offense did that in the second half.
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pretty resigned going into this game that we were not going to able to stop Andrew Luck for 60 minutes.
So this idea of needing to take control was kind of in my head all game. In my eyes the only way we win a game like that (at least right now) is by outscoring the opponent.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
It's true.
The only way to win is to outscore the opponent.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
"Any time Detroit scores more than 100 points and holds the other team below 100 points, they almost always win." – Doug Collins
I cook with beer, sometimes I even add it to the food
I knew as I posted that comment that someone would pick that out.
I mean we need to be able to go out there and simply put up as many points as humanly possible, since our defense has proved fairly unreliable. They were able to stop Luck in the 1st half but you can’t expect it all day.
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Are you saying that some of the plays were called with the purpose of not scoring points?
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No I'm saying we need to take chances. Open up the offense. Play with reckless abandon.
OK so maybe not with reckless abandon. But overall, not really saying anything different than I originally said.
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And we've said that there were plays like that called.
But the protection didn’t allow them to happen.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we're getting away from what I was ssaying.
I was just trying to explain my “outscore the opponent” comment.
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I was just being a smartass there.
I knew what you meant. That was just a softball.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the best way that I can describe that phrase I used.
I felt like we needed to go out and but up a monsterous amount of points, because we couldn’t expect to contain Luck.
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Also, replace "ASU" with "Stanford"
It’s been a long night.
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured as much
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Marshall and Jeff
Sorry if this has already been covered in the game thread. I’m having a hard time loading it. I’ve been thinking this since the first game of the season when Marshall started and looked great and Jeff came in and, understandably because he was sick, just looked less crisp. My thinking is that Coach Wulff should consistently apply his strategy of starting players who show up in practice and show consistency in games, also with respect to the quarterback position. Granted, Jeff was not at all helped by his receivers and O-Line today, but it was apparent to me at least that Marshall is simply a superior quarterback right now. He can read defenses better and thus, I think, avoid more sacks, and I think he’s got quite a bit more zip on the ball and accuracy right now. (Perhaps the “zip” question is deceptive b/c of Jeff’s long throwing motion?). I’m with everybody here that Jeff is a better talent, but Marshall has played extremely well overall, even with a couple fourth-quarter breakdowns.
So, what about Oregon State, the one Pac-10 team we beat last year under Jeff? Hopefully Jeff would get significant playing time under my privileged scenario even should Marshall start, because he’s the quarterback of the future and we get off to a rocking lead with Marshall at the helm. In short, I think it does the team a disservice and Marshall an injustice by starting Jeff when Marshall has earned his stripes and is the better quarterback (right now). What do you all think :)? I’m sure I’ll get blasted for this one.
Marshal would have been killed tonight.
Stanford would have finished with 27 sacks. He’s just not mobile.
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by Coug999 on Oct 15, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
So rec'd.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubt that
He seems to do well at calling audibles and/or throwing the dunk route in a hurry. He also showed some elusiveness at the end of the game too.
Did you know Jeffrey Solomon was 1-1 for 29 yards and a TD last year? We should have played him at QB over Tuel!
That is how ridiculous I think this argument is.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
its not a ridiculous sentiment at all.
Not that I agree with it, but you calling it ridiculous is ridiculous.
For those in the fan base who wanted to try to win last night, Lobster gave you your best chance given where he is at. For those of you who were ready to concede last night to advance your goals the rest of the season and get Tuel up to game speed, starting Jeff was the right move.
But don’t be an a-hole by supposing that your opinion is somehow more rational than someone else who might have different priorities or interests.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
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by Gekko Mojo on Oct 16, 2011 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Lobster gave us a better chance to win
Like was noted, he would have been sacked 27 times…really.
Thank you
You nailed it Gekko. A few of the guys running this site are starting to get a little high and mighty and its starting to get to some of us. This comment and the other guy banning a guy for questionable reasons is getting ridiculous. I’d be surprised if they don’t start losing readers. I’m almost there.
If you have a problem with how things are being run
please, feel free to e-mail any or all of us. Our e-mails are listed. I’d love to have an adult conversation about how to make this site a better experience for our community and for us as well. Leaving drive by comments about us being “high and mighty” isn’t really going to necessitate change, though.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 17, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You want advice
Fine, I think Mark, and others including the readers, can disagree with thoughts without being condescending. This happens a lot on here. And, I think you could have handled the situation a couple weeks ago a lot more maturely. I’m not saying the guy you booted was being mature in how he handled himself, but being in your position you should have definitely showed more restraint. From reading the comments afterwards I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in thinking this.
by Wazzu Willy on Oct 18, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you should take Kyle's advice and contact the mods with email
Maturity goes both ways, publically criticizing the people that run this site (for free) is not being a mature.
While the moderators can at times seem condescending, they also argue with each other and generally come from different perspectives. They are fans too, and they can be frustrated by repetetive arguments just like any reader on the site.
This is one of the most comprehensive and well run websites I have seen for WSU, and to put it bluntly you don’t have to read or comment if you don’t want to. But I would highly recommend discussing any issues or questions with the moderators over email (as many of us have done) versus posting open criticism. The comments is not the approprate place to have this discussion, from one reader to another.
You are right
I should have sent this through email and I wanted to. I can’t access my email from work and I didn’t want to use my work email for this. I appologize for handling it through the comments section but it is what I had to work with at the time.
by Wazzu Willy on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
At the end of the game he was playing backups.
David Gilbertson probably could have looked good there (nothing against Gilbertson. He’s basically my favorite player). Think last week to this week. Last week if Marshall got flushed from the pocket, he was almost always caught. Tuel was at least able to create an opportunity, regardless of the outcome.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Against Stanford's backups....
You know when Lobbestael saw anything like the rush Tuel saw today? In the fourth quarter against SDSU. How did he do against that?
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You do realize that Lobbestael played against Stanford's backups, right?
Oh my goodness. I was so afraid of this.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes
Like I said, I’ve been thinking this since the beginning of the season. I’m not sure Marshall had his starters in either, as far as that goes, but my judgement is based on accuracy and zip and, more importantly, what he’s done all season.
But zip isn't even close.
Tuel made throws tonight Lobbestael couldn’t dream of making. Did you notice Lobbestael short hop a 9 yard out route on his one drive?
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You are dead wrong about "zip"
Lobbestael wouldn’t have made that throw in the first quarter that Karstetter dropped. He wouldn’t have made that seem route to Barton that Tuel made later. He would have been picked on that out route to Wilson on the scoring drive.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
I’m not suggesting that Marshall has the stronger arm at the end of the day, but on the routes that he throws, he’s got zip. He also knows his limitations. Qualifier: I think Marshall gets too worn down when he’s throwing 40+ attempts and can prove nervous at the end of games. That said, I don’t think we would be better than 3-3 had Jeff played all year.
Meh.
It’s a hard thing to say that you would have won had Player A been in the game.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
NO
Its not that hard if you have actually seen Tuel play and notice the difference between him and lobster. Tuel’s pocket awareness is better than Marshall’s. Tuel has a much better arm and he can actually run the ball really well.
Yeah, let's just end this right here.
He’s right, it’s hard to do the whole “we would have won if Player A started” because no, there’s no way we can “know” that the outcome would have been any different. Do I think it would have been different? Sure. We probably beat UCLA, but what if we don’t? There’s no way to know. It’s all speculation, and it’s not worth arguing.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just about to say this.
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The one think I will say about your point
is that it seems like Lobs has a quicker release. It seems like when he is in the shotgun the ball out is out of his hands quick and into to the receiver’s hands. Though Tuel will get this timing back. Tuel has a far superior arm, but what Lobs lacks in strength he tries to make that up by getting the ball out quick. Like I said Tuel are is superior, more accurate, more zip and he can do more things like fade passed, deep out routes and deep balls. Lobs seems to have the quick slant down. Tuel seems to have a longer wind up on his throws, but still a better QB.
I cook with beer, sometimes I even add it to the food
I can verify this.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The decision to start Tuel didn't seem to be about winning against Stanford
seemed to me, that it was to set up the remainder of the season. Tuel is this team’s top QB and is the starter when he is healthy. OSU is essentially a must win game for us if we want to go bowling. Stanford was a good opponent to shake of the rust with and be better prepared to go against OSU and future games. Tuel at QB gives us the best chance to win any given week.
If you think Lobbestael is the better player right now, that's fine.
But there’s no way that you thought he was better than Tuel from the get go. No. Way.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you guys expect out of Tuel when the center isn't snapping the ball at his feet?
He was hitting him in the hands all night. Doesn’t the center know Jeff likes the ball short-hopped to him?
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by SoCalCoug on Oct 15, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, he did one-hop him once.
But rec’d anyway.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, two happier things.
1. I totally called that they would switch jerseys in the locker room pregame.
2. The pregame field entrance was incredible. Should happen every week.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
I called it as well.
And I have proof. I WIN.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I have proof in the form of a text to my dad.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
That's worthless to me.
Mine is on CougCenter. Like I said, I win.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Stupid Android.
Now way to take a screen cap.
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If it isn't on CougCenter it isn't official.
Slooogan?
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I can't wait for the ghost helmets
because they will have the darker pants with them. Today was just normal gray. See how dark Tuel’s pants are in this pic? (sorry about the large pic) My one complaint today was it was hard to see the numbers. Maybe white numbers with crimson outline would be better for TV. It took a second to realize Su’a was playing. They also kept sneaking in Ledgerwood in, but I recognized him by the way he kept hitting the wrong holes. Can’t fool me 44.
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They should have used Lobbestael as a uniform model.
He would have done a better job.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Jeff Tuel is making poses that Marshal would never dream of.
Plus, he is posing against better cameras.
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by GoCougs on Oct 15, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
I tried to think of something to add to this but I cant
Bravo sir, you win the Internet.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
This is just so fantastic.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wait until Jeff Tuel drops Magnum on us
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Not being able to turn left really limits his options.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Look guys, he is not an ambiturner.
I know we are all hoping for him to develop that, but at this point we are just grasping at straws.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of grasping
Kevin Lopina was one hell of a hand model
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's see.. oh, those are nice. You know, I've never noticed this before? They're smooth.. creamy.. delicate, yet (Turns to Jerry) masculine.
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I'd give Lopina the Slashie
That means he is the best Hand Model/Quarterback… And not the other way around
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He would rub off his talent onto the uniform therefore creating the perfect team.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 16, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Either that was poorly phrased
Or I just have a really sick mind
…
Or both…
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You know who would have led us to a win today...
GARY ROGERS. Don’t you guys remember that one drive? That guy was so amazing.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Do you remember the last five games?
Anyway, no point in beating a dead horse. It’s a.m. where I’m at. Good night.
Yes the 3 games we won: ISU, UNLV and Colorado.
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um
do YOU remember the last five games?
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone else find it really difficult to be angry at Karstetter?
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Something that was brought to my attention today:
why doesn’t he wear gloves?
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
I mean I guess I could understand someone saying that they don't make you any better,
but I can’t imagine that they would hurt.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
It's how he learned.
In fact, I seem to remember a time Levy got pissed at the receivers and took all their gloves away. Anyway, Karstetter is comfortable without gloves.
Hasn't Levy talk to him about stickum and this guy?
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Yeah.
I know he cares more than I do.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's impossible to be angry
at a fellow WSU Honors College student.
by tclaus on Oct 15, 2011 10:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow. I was just about to type that.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That was meant to be a
“Jared is smart” statement more than a “I am smart” statement haha
by tclaus on Oct 15, 2011 11:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And I'm not angry at Jeff Tuel.
After all, he is a fellow normal college student.
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by Coug999 on Oct 15, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
In that case
I’m certainly not mad at Rahmel Dockery?
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This isn't to trash Sturdy
but are you all still happy with his play calling? He has had some good playing calling this year, like the game winner in Boulder. I just feel like some calls are suspect, like they would work in the BigSky, but not against quality opponents with power, smarts and speed.
I just don’t like his quick throws to the WRs on the sidelines. It is a slow developing play and we keep getting blown up on them. The other WRs are having trouble blocking the Safeties and DB and our WR are getting 0 to negative yards are these plays. I usually don’t like 10-15 percent of his plays.
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This is kind of my feeling.
Like I said above: we were a team with absolutely nothing to lose and yet our playcalling (in my eyes) reflected a team with everything to lose.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
I know why.
Not enough time.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Forget taking shots for a minute though.
Even on just your average third down it seemed that we were still being conservative and throwing short of the sticks. It’s hard to tell from the student section if those were check downs or not but I think as a general rule, on third down you need to either throw to the sticks or to a guy that can get there.
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Because Tuel was cleared so late they stuck with a Lobbestael gameplan today.
Those type of plays maximize Lobbestael’s strengths and more importantly hide his weaknesses.. I’m very interested to see how much the offense opens up next week now that they will be running a Tuel gameplan.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, there were a couple inside screens in the first half that were one block from going a long way
One block or one slipped tackle. It just didn’t happen.
Ya I saw those and
Wilson did get the 1st down on the first one, but I the 2nd one they read like a book. I agree there were a couple of the other ones were close to being broken.
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The Eaddy one I talked about in the recap would have went far.
If Eaddy wasn’t knocked over by his own guy.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see that play clearing (probably because my two year old was jumping on my back)
and I was wondering what happened on that play. Weird.
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Since they went to the spread attack I feel like we have had a lot of screens that were really close.
I remember Wilson catching one against Oregon that is probably a TD if Oregon doesn’t have Oregon speed. It has to be frustrating for Study to watch the film and be so close on so many of these.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully Sturdy looks at those plays (and of course he probably does)
and figures out how on the next he can change the spacing just a bit so it opens it up for the big gain.
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Eaddy made a quick cut that probably had him go farther inside than designed.
Fullington was coming forward trying to get the lead block and just ran over Eaddy.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Eaddy had a defender right on his tail, so he didn't slow down to wait for his blocker,
And Fullington just didn’t see him.
by tclaus on Oct 15, 2011 11:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I am angry
that Fullington doesn’t have eyes in back of his head. We need to focus on this in recruiting our linemen.
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by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 17, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
There are still plays I see
where I am thinking, “does Sturdy really think that play is going to work against legit Pac12 opponents?”
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I agree with that.
Some of it could be to set up other stuff. I’m far from the biggest Study supporter but he I think has come a long way in the last 12 months. Maybe it’s talent, maybe it’s him settling in. I don’t know, but I’m excited to see what he does with a healthy Tuel.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that Sturdy has come a long way
it just seems like something is missing. I am not talking talent, Tuel, execution or timing. A few plays seem long sometimes and slow developing. I don’t think it is the players, because they have the speed and they look like they are running the plays as fast as possible as they can. I can’t pinpoint it. It’s that the play is either to compact (players crammed together) or to open (because the scripted route is to long). I can’t really explain in text/words what I am trying to convey. Some of the plays just look like they are fancy FCS D1AA plays that would work in FCS D1AA.
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I completely understand this.
I was watching Michael Crabtree Texas Tech highlights recently and I was thinking, wow why is it their screen game looks so easy. Ours I feel like the WR either has to make the first guy miss or he has to get a great block for it to do anything.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I was way too hard on Sturdy in the gamethread
I think the problem really is talent, but not necessarily at the skill positions. Our offensive line and lack of effective blocking tight ends doesn’t help us much in breaking big plays.
Actually I’m impressed with what Sturdy does get sometimes given our personnel, especially late last season.
Having said that, 3.9 yards per play isn’t going to get it done. Fortunately this is looking like the best defense we play all season.
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry couldn't make the game thread. DVR'd then caught up to the live game with a minute to go.
Ya but when the O-Line does block a few of the plays just look off. It is spacing or something. I can’t really say what exactly it is when I was watching the game for fun, not a breakdown. I will have to watch the game again. I will say the Wade Jacobson loss hurts and B.J.
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By the way
I have wondered about these 10-15% of the calls all year. Even against ISU I was like, “well that was an awesome play and it worked well, but that won’t cut it against quality opponents.” I just didn’t really feel like bringing it up and there wasn’t really a reason to. Losing always magnifies things and there were a few calls today that had me scratch my head.
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Everyone seemed to like the inside screen when Wilson took it 78 yards for a TD.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 15, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did, I liked it last night too
the Stanford players just kept blowing past the blockers
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 16, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya Stanford liked when we ran it,
because they had been watching it all week on game film.
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Those aren't quick throws to the sidelines
They’re screens. And by nature, screens are slow developing…
by Brian Floyd on Oct 16, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That was my point.
There are so many variation of screens, so I didn’t use the term screen in that instance—I said quick throw to the sideline—so everyone on here would know what I am talking about.
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Nevermind, I'll answer that
It relies on a cornerback playing way off and a receiver making a guy miss, which is exactly what people are bitching about when it comes to the outside screen game.
I have seen a couple different setups.
In one setup the WR steps back and the other WR (or two) blocks the CB in front of him, so he doesn’t have to make the CB miss. If the other WR (or WRs) misses their block (which I have seen) then the WR with the ball gets blown up for a loss (or no gain).
The setup you are talking about can also be frustrating if the WR can’t make the CB miss. I think the reason it looks so frustrating to people is because it seems like it takes so long to develop. I am curious do you like these plays? I like them if they work because it can be as good as a run play, but for some reason they haven’t been working that well against quality opponents. I don’t think these type of plays have been that productive against talented players. I see Oregon run them and they usually work. It is almost like the other defensive coordinators are baiting us into this play by have the CB play off the WR then explode to them as soon as the ball is hiked. Maybe the DCs have seen something on film that has tipped them off. I can tell that Stanford read a few of our plays from watching film, but a majority of their good defense play had to do with the pressure they were getting on Tuel. I think that is the most pressure we have seen all season…and a lot came from the LBs.
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I still feel the lack of deep
balls that test the safeties early are hurting Sturdy’s game plan. Stanford and UCLA played a cover 2 press style w/ their safeties ‘up’ five yards more than normal. They use a split that is wider than usual to lightly veil our WR’s an thus the post pattern is often open. I know, I know, pass blocking time to throw etc- factors in- but even long incomplete passes early plant the seed. I feel like the long sideline throws are designed for the short gain, but if the one guy misses, you got yourself a nice gain. Both the Bruins and Cardinal thwarted this by pulling the safetie up and there were often three DBs (OLB sometimes) on that throw quickly. You gotta make that free safety protect the “free” area— in two straight games they have dared the Cougs to go deep middle and it has paid off. Get the ball in that space early and make those safeties read/react more often and the middle is softer for the bubbles and slants.
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by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 17, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
But the safety decision has paid off for different reasons.
Against UCLA, it paid off because Lobbestael couldn’t make that throw and he knew it. So he didn’t try, which was incredibly smart. He throws that ball and it’s picked more often than not.
Against Stanford, the routes were installed and were open again. But they weren’t utilized because Tuel was on his ass. He had a wide-open post to Wilson that all of us saw, and the coaches pointed out, in the first half, but he was hit when he threw — the play the ball popped straight up in the second quarter. The routes were there, he just didn’t have time, and you know some of the deeper routes take a bit of time.
And I agree with you and think you pretty much conveyed my thoughts on the outside screen game. It pulls players up into press and creates a free area. That free area just wasn’t taken advantage of, but I don’t think this will always be the case. And remember, you can build off those outside screens. Draw the defense up, lull them to sleep and then pump the route.
In other words, I like the outside screen game as it is and think it serves its purpose.
What is with all this discussion?
We already decided it was my fault for wearing the shirt. Move on, guys.
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We're discussing the specific problems that said shirt-wearing caused.
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Nit-pickers.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you doing?
Drinking at 1am watching Late, Late with Craig Ferguson reruns?
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Watching the Oregon game.
Also, I’m terrible at deciding when to go to bed. Always too late.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That is what happens when you are a true LeftCoaster
Your mind is trying to tell you that you live on the eastcoast, but in your heart you are westcoast.
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Good point. We need a t-shirt decision coach.
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I made a lot of bad decisions.
Colorado game: Got up, didn’t shower. It was chilly, put on a plain blue hoodie without a t-shirt underneath. Didn’t go anywhere throughout the day, so left that on.
Cougs win.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Today: Showered, Coug shirt AND Coug hat.
Idiot.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Coug hoodie, Coug hat.
I need to stop supporting my team.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wearing a Seahawks hoodie
Since I made my crimson WSU sweatshirt sweaty on a bike ride. I’m not proud of this, and I think it cost us dearly in terms of intangibles.
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 15, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I am relieved that there is no discussion of pants...
At least you got that part of the appropriate CougCenter gameday uniform right.
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I was completely beat after the game, but all I could think was
“Next week at this time the game will just be starting”. I don’t know how I’m gonna last.
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Seriously. Screw these late starts.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wondering...
but why don’t we disguise our defense? I see a lot of teams show one thing, the offense makes the read, and then the defense changes it again…
We did. We wore the gray uniforms today.
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by SoCalCoug on Oct 15, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
And warming up in different jerseys
confused Stanford as well. Took them a while to realize it was still us.
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That must have been one hell of a half time speech from Shaw to have to explain who the other team was
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Should've come out in white after half.
(Side note: I have to imagine there is a rule about changing uniforms at halftime?)
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By the way,
my friend who plays D-I college football texted me mid-game to tell me how sick he thought our jerseys were.
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you should see the black ones for the Oregon st game!
by james_WSU on Oct 15, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that really what we are gonna ware?
That looks sweet.
Photoshopped.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 16, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not that highbrow yet.
I can’t let go of my regular TV. When it dies I will upgrade or when I pay off my student loans.
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65in projection...100 on craigslist lol
I’m not willing to spend a lot of money for a plasma or anything…
I actually saw some highlights of our game on halftime of the UO-ASU game.
They looked a lot different in person. It was really surprising. Looked a lot lighter colored in person.
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My girlfriend was at the game.
She thought they looked terrible once they started sweating.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
They were like Hypercolor T-Shirts
but they turned darker color because of sweat, not heat. Man, Hypercolor T-Shirts dates me.
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That woooosh sound you hear
is this reference going over most of our heads.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like something that they will sell at Urban Outfitters soon.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The late 80's. Middle School.
When you put your hand on them or anything warm touched them they changed color. Outta this world!
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i don't want to be on a site that is too young for hypercolor.
I also had a Hypergrafix sweatshirt that had the Generra guys in their football gear, but when it got hot they changed to wearing shorts and t-shirts. 90s Science.
How about Big Johnson T-Shirts?
I never owned one and I think they got band from Junior High, but the kids in the neighborhood would put them on as soon as they got home.
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All the cool kids I knew wore no fear shirts.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 16, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually remember when Mossimo and Jnco were "cool"
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, you mean they aren't anymore?
Not like I still wear them haha no of course not, hey guys look a bird.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 16, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
30 inch leg openings rock!
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by Craig Powers on Oct 17, 2011 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember that.
I think it was around for about an hour.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember Pepsi Twist?
It was awful. Is this crystal pepsi some combo of pepsi and meth?
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Did we just make simultaneous random unprompted Surge references?
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That was amazing.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really not sure what just happened.
But I’m pretty sure James_WSU and I just became best friends.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the next step
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As opposed to the straight meth which was called Surge
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I drank so much Surge when I was 12.
Apparently I had terrible parents.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Not enough meth, I guess.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Mine was Jolt cola
I just saw it in the store the other day. Bringing it back.
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I still have one unopened can of Surge
It’s a WCW collector can. When I was 13 I thought it was going to be worth thousands. Now I’m just waiting until Rancourt gets drunk and I trade it to him for $50 billion dollars.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They sold Cactus Cooler at the WinCo in Moscow.
Still not in WA, but I had some in college.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Cactus Cooler is huge in Cali
Big hit in the Latin community.
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THEY HAD IT IN MOSCOW?!
For 4yrs I had no idea :( I’ve been drinking the stuff since i was a kid lol
You made it through four years at WSU without hitting up WinCo?
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get this wating until Rancourt gets drunk talk.
You have to wait?
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by SoCalCoug on Oct 15, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy cow this is so spot on.
After the game we went to a friend’s house, and while Mrs. Kyle was drinking wine with the ladies, him and I finished off a 5th of Sailor Jerry’s. Holy god I’m hungover.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I really just laughed out loud.
Did you spring for the highbrow Fanzia for Mrs. Kyle?
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I'm willing to bet Rancourt is drunk right now.
I’ll help if you give me a cut.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll tell you what.
You make the deal and collect my $50 billion and I’ll give you 25 percent,
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweet.
I hope Rancourt has 50 billion.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know what I am more shocked by
Rancourt not being drunk or him having 50 Bill.
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Well he might have had $50 bill but he spent most of it on rum.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 15, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Freaking Captain Morgan.
You always ruin all my best plans.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I switched it up last night.
Sailor Jerry’s. 92 proof!
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I used to make Coug Harmony on Twitters for the SDSU game.
I got hammered way faster than I intended.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 16, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
WCW!
is there a specific wrestler on it? or just the WCW logo? also, I STILL WANT IT AND AM WILLING TO PAY BILLIONS FOR IT
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Surge is pretty much all I drank in middle school.
we are so cool, guys. all of us.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Which was one of the best SNL ad parodies ever
Right up there with Super Colon Blow
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by 89Coug in FL on Oct 17, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That's every uniform though.
It was definitely noticeable but I can’t say it affected my opinion of them at all.
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She's a girl too. Her opinion doesn't count.
That is what Dr. Pepper Ten has taught me.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
"Catchphrase"
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So fantastic.
WILL YOU SHUT UP.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 15, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hasn't he done something similar to that before?
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The defense was amazing last night
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 16, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions
I think you misspelled "much improved"
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And I think you mispelled "CJ Mizell Beastmode"
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by Michael The Coug on Oct 16, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear Ledgerwood
got more burn last night than any other game. Was Mizell winded or something? Or was Tormey taking him out for making bad decisions.
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I think Kaufusi was hurt from practice all week
And when you play a team as physical as Stanford, you’ve got to rotate guys in and out constantly. That’d be my inkling.
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by Michael The Coug on Oct 16, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Forgive me
I haven’t seen decent defense in a while
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 16, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It's alright
You just never saw the beast that was Greg Trent play
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by Michael The Coug on Oct 16, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
When I was searching for links one day, I'm pretty sure I found out Greg Trent is now a bodybuilder.
The attached image scared me too much to click on it.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 16, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That man frightened me in sweats and a baggy sweatshirt.
If I was a football player (and trust my doughy yet somewhat attractive physique I am not) and I was given the instruct to block him in say, 2006 or 2007, I’d just jog off the field and tell the coach “No.”
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by Michael The Coug on Oct 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you misspelled "Will Derting"
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I remember watching him play with his harm clubbed up.
As a grade schooler, that was the coolest thing ever.
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And I think we both misspelled "Mkristo Bruce"
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by Michael The Coug on Oct 16, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
They made some big plays, but a lot of what kept it close in the first half was mistakes by Stanford.
For example, Luck’s first pass is quite possibly a TD instead of an INT if he doesn’t underthrow the ball. Horton was pretty well beat, but the short throw allowed him to recover. They held together better than I expected, but I think calling them “amazing” is a great overstatement.
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This keeps comming up...
In the SDSU, CU, and UCLA games, when the Cougs D played decent ( in the first half)some people keep saying that it wasnt the D, it was the other team messing up. Now it happend with Stanford too, and once again in the first half. I’m starting to think people need to change their tune a little. Four games in a row…perhaps it’s not that the other team is just messing up in the first half. Maybe our defenders are playing decent ball, but because of a lack of depth, they run out of gas in the second half. My point is, lets stop discrediting our D compleatly, and give some credit where credit may be due.
I'm not completely discrediting them.
There’s no doubt in my mind that they played well in that first half. They made some stops against a very good offense. I was just merely pointing out that the offense made some mistakes as well that contributed to the close score.
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I don't think anyone is discrediting them.
I get what you’re saying. But my problem with the initial comment, and comments from last night in general, was that the defense was “amazing” or otherworldly. That’s simply not the case. They have been improving a lot, and you’re right that we don’t have the depth (plus I don’t think you can discredit the other teams making 2nd half adjustments), but basically, all this stemmed from poor, somewhat hyperbolic word choices made by the WSU faithful.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah Gotcha
That makes sense. As for the half-time adjustments…I don’t know. I’m sure that is part of it, but I am starting to wonder about that. I wonder if the talent and depth that we have is affecting what kind of half time adjustments the coaching staff can effectively make. I’m not sure if I am saying that right. What I mean is pehaps our coaching staff are trying, or are capable of making good adjustments, but because of a talent or depth lacking, they are restricted on what they can do. Or, our defensive coaching staff are not capable of making correct adjustments. :)
No I think you misunderstood me in regards to the 2nd half adjustments
I meant the adjustments by the other team’s offensive gameplan. Stanford saw what they were doing wrong and corrected it. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other guy. Their offensive line is so so so so much better than ours.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 16, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The adjustments.... If only we were a step ahead.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 16, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The step ahead we needed
Was to go back in time and recruit players that could either overwhelm a beast of an O-line or cover some incredible tight ends. Or both.
Or kidnap the future coach of Stanford
There by creating a paradox.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 17, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it also stems from individual understanding of the word "amazing"
for me amazing means (at least in football) playing above expectations and well enough to win. Which they did last night, that is until the last 20-25 minutes of the ball game. I was to tired to elaborate in the original post
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 16, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Last 20 to 25 minutes?
That’s over a third of the game. I do understand what you are saying though.
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