WSU Vs. Oregon: Cougars Hang Tough, But Mistakes Too Much In 43-28 Loss
On the one hand, WSU went into Autzen Stadium against a top 10 Oregon team -- one that received an emotional lift from the returns of Darron Thomas and LaMichael James -- and stood toe-to-toe with the Ducks for most of the afternoon en route to a 43-28 loss. The Cougars actually outgained the Ducks, 462-454; I'm betting you could have gotten some amazing odds on that as a prop bet in Las Vegas before the game.
On the other hand, there were the two special teams touchdowns given up -- the first when a blown blocking assignment led to a blocked punt, the other when a missed tackle allowed De'Anthony Thomas to take a kickoff to the house -- and the two red zone interceptions thrown by Marshall Lobbestael.
This game had a feeling like so many others over the last year or so: "If only the Cougs could eliminate the mistakes ..." But alas, they couldn't, as teams with as much youth as they have, and learning how to win as they are, often can't.
But on the whole, I have to say that I'm pleased with this game.
Yeah, the mistakes were super frustrating -- I mean, when you lose by 15 points and your opponent scored that exact same amount on those two special teams meltdowns, you can't help but just shake your head -- but when you approach this game from the perspective that WSU was expected to be destroyed, it's not hard to find positives.Let's start with the defense, which was so roundly (and correctly) criticized after last week's debacle. The Cougars held Oregon's offense to just 28 points, with the front seven playing perhaps its best game of the year, given the competition. The overall statistics won't be that kind -- giving up 8.1 yards per play is still really bad -- but holding the Ducks to four touchdowns, making a couple of fourth down stands in the process, is pretty significant progress. Especially when you consider that the defense was a little shorthanded, missing Toni Pole and Mike Ledgerwood, both of whom regularly see time in a reserve role.
The offense, meanwhile, was continually able to move the ball against an Oregon defense that is incredibly underrated in so much as Kelly's offense gets a disproportionate amount of attention. For as explosive as Oregon was, WSU was exactly the opposite -- gaining only 5.3 yards per play -- but with four games to go, I've become convinced that this kind of ball-control offense is the Cougars' best chance at winning a couple of games down the stretch.
Lobbestael continues to show that he can manage a game plan with lots of short and intermediate passes, completing 28-of-48 for 337 yards. He finished with a respectable 7.0 yards per attempt, which was his best in a start since Colorado. There also was an incredibly underrated aspect of his game today. One thing Lobbestael does exceptionally well -- something that became apparent in watching Jeff Tuel do it poorly the last two weeks -- is get WSU in the correct protections. That, combined with some pretty good play on the line, held Oregon to just three sacks today.
While it's impossible to completely overlook the two red zone interceptions, both of which were terrible decisions, Lobbestael played an excellent game otherwise.
The rushing game was even competent: Running backs gained 4.05 yards per carry on 35 attempts. Not bad at all. And Marquess Wilson was himself after an early drop, catching 11 balls for 126 yards.
There were issues, to be sure. But Oregon is dang good, and the Cougars were inspired. Forget about whether they should have been this inspired last week; the question is whether they will be this inspired over the final four. If they are, there just might be a couple of wins in the offing.
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I have to agree with the assessment.
I’m not into moral victories, but seriously, after enduring last week in Seattle, I am pleased with the effort – the EFFORT – of the defense. In the end, we lost, but they were actually trying, which is more than they did vs. OSU. They wrapped up and contained James in the first half. If their defense plays like that the rest of the year, and Marshall can find some zip to his passes (and his receivers give him some help), we may just be okay. We won’t see UO or Stanford again this year, so it has to get easier, right? :-)
They weren't trying against OSU?
The Cougs played a terrible game, but lack of effort wasn’t part of it. That was a brutal game. And today, other than LSU, nobody’s done better against the Ducks. Not to mention with a backup QB.
by VeryOldCougFan on Oct 29, 2011 10:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I'd agree with this about the effort.
They played poorly. Wouldn’t say they just didn’t try.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 29, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So what's the deal then?
So does the same effort against both Oregon schools give us these results? That just doesn’t make sense to me.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
It's not that they weren't trying
Ted Miller picked OSU to lose, so by the law of the football gods, they must win.
That, and while they may have tried hard, they were not sharp, there is a difference. I think that comes from actually being favored for once. This team needs to learn how to handle success before we will actually have a whole lot.
Sometimes I just think there's a difference between effort and execution
I sort of feel bad for using the word “effort” in my headline last week. I think they tried hard. I just think they stunk.
I think we need a focus coach
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 30, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm REALLY starting to like Damonte Horton
I think he’s well on his way to being a first team pac-12 cornerback next year if he keeps up this kind of performance
What kind of performance would that be?
He was better today, but he’s still got miles to go as a cover corner.
But if you only pay attention to his interceptions
Then he looks really good.
None of our DB’s impress with me with their coverage ability, and I am just not sure if it is an offshoot of this being the first year in Wulff’s term that we have actually been able to ask them to cover (aka not be in run support all game) and they will get better, or if they are just bad.
I recall his footwork being especially bad on one completion to a tight end
That sort of stuff can get better. This is really his first season as a starter, so I expect it will
For what its worth...
I thought Buchanon looked a lot better in coverage today. He had good position on a few deep balls and on that early INT.
There was a difference, though
Less zone, more man. I’m convinced this is how the defense should operate with these safeties.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 29, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, i'd like to see more man...
but i think they may run more zone next week to make Maynard beat them with accurate throws.
Thing is, a quarterback doesn't have to be particularly accurate.
At least when the safeties can’t play zone properly. But you could be right about this coming week (if Maynard is the starter).
by Brian Floyd on Oct 29, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't watched Cal the past few weeks...
Is Maynard hurt or have they finally figured out he isn’t very good? Does that mean Mansion may start?!?
Of course, there's a lot of room for improvement
But when he’s picking off other QBs this consistently at a young age, that’s encouraging to me. To me, that shows great defensive instincts, and that’s something that’s not that easy to teach
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
My favorite motivational quote in regards to sports
“Luck is when opportunity meets preparation”. Even if he is being lucky, he is putting himself in position to capitalize off of it, which is a major improvement from where he was last year.
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't prepare yourself to be in position to catch a tipped pass
Yes that does show some instinct but also quite a bit of luck for a tipped ball to drop in his lap.
And like I said, he got beat deep twice, that’s not really putting himself in position to capitalize. I’d rather he have two less ints and have him actually be in a better defensive position.
by sdcoug09 on Oct 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
In the end, aren't the vast majority of interceptions the result of errant throws by QBs?
Because technically, QBs are supposed to throw it where ONLY the WRs are able to get to?
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's one thing to be in position and have the QB make a less-than-perfect throw
Quite another to be badly beaten and need an incredibly poor throw to make up the difference. Not all plays are created equal.
He intercepted a pass on a ball the WR dropped and simultaneously batted into the air
the ball then landed right in his lap. You really want to sing his praises for that?
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 29, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that's how he rolls
Lucky-assed picks. It’s the name of my Kool and the Gang tribute band.
by Blackie1829 on Oct 29, 2011 10:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering the fact that he's the only one on defense consistently making interceptions/turnovers
I’d say he’s a good defender. Who else on the team can claim this kind of defensive play making ability?
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way...
I’m not sure if you mean it to come off this way, but why do you always sound so vindictive and condescending on your posts?
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm not condesending
I’m pointing out the flaws in your logic. He’s good because he gets fluky interceptions? Well, ok. You and I differ greatly in terms of what constitutes “good”.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So you do admit to being vindictive? Pointing out the flaws in your statement.
I was too busy driving 900 miles yesterday to watch the game but averaging a pick a game for a whole month doesn’t sound too flukey to me. Especially when he picks it off for 6. When was the last time one of DBs picked it off for 6? By a sophomore CB?…So yes, in this case, I WILL sing praises for him, when he does things like this against a offensive juggernaught like Oregon (For the love of god, he OUTRAN all that speed those players in Oregon have for a TD)….also, I think 6 other people besides myself DOES think you’re condescending. So if you’re going to be someone who represents this blog, you might want to listen and pay attention to some feedback…
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
As for you thinking that you're not condescending, let's do it in a way that some of the past articles have been done
In my same comment, several authors/editors have commented, basically with the same message: I’m being too excited. That’s fine, no, it really is! BUT the delivery has been much different…. Here, Editor/Author A asks “What kind of performance would that be? He was better today, but got miles to go as a cover corner” Notice how he simply asks a question, and implies why he is asking me that question? It is very neutral, and opens up conversation comfortably…Next, is Editor/Author B who asks, “He intercepted a pass on a ball the WR dropped and simultaneously batted into the air the ball then landed right in his lap. You really want to sing his praises for that?” Notice how compared to Author A, Author B is now questioning and belittling my opinion instead of posing a neutral question? By asking questions in this form, it makes me, as the poster, much more defensive and embarrassed that I even cared to share my opinion, if it is going to be treated like this every time. It creates and sets a mood that is not very open to dialogue…Now would you care to guess who Author A and Author B is? (Hint: Author A is my favorite one on the site, and Author B is the ONLY author on the site that any fellow coug center-ians have ever expressed any type of disdain in)
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
First
I don’t care if people here express disdain. It comes with the territory. I can certainly show you that I am not the only one people “show disdain” for, but that wasn’t the point of what you were trying to say.
Fine, you think my question was condescending. That was not my intent, but I’m not apologizing for how you misinterpreted what I was saying. What if I was simply asking the question, “Do you really want to sing his praises for being lucky?” which is sort of what I implied. I guess I could have been clearer. If you’re really going to take offense to that though, this conversation we’re having is the least of your troubles.
I understand the “luck is the product of preparation” thing, and it’s valid to a point. Yes, it’s awesome that he took the INT to the house, but he almost got ran down by a lineman. All the other speed guys were on the other side of the field. I’m not saying the interceptions should be completely thrown out, because that’s silly. Of course it’s awesome that he has 4 INTs in 4 games. But you originally said you see “First team all Pac 12” in his future. I’d argue that he’s probably the 3rd best corner on his own team, so saying things like that are kind of a stretch.
I don’t care that 6 people rec’d that comment, when almost all of them never comment.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you just ignore other people's constructive criticism? Perhaps those 6 are the one's that are too shy/afraid to comment due to jerks like you??
Anywho, in my original statement I also said “if he keeps up this kind of performance”. I believe that’s the most important point that I was making. In no way did I ever say anything along the lines of “Horton is the best CB on our team OMGGG”. Are we throwing that out the window? Considering that you’d just disregard other people’s opinion about you, i wouldn’t be surprised if you did that either…
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If he has an interception in every game the rest of the season is your argument?
Ok then. If he does, come back here, I’ll say I was wrong, and I’ll say he deserves First Team All Pac 12.
Expecting him to keep this up is unrealistic. He’s improved leaps and bounds from where he was last year, so I’ll give you that. But he still gets burned on way too many plays. I’d rather see him shut down his man than get destroyed all game and get an INT on a bad throw.
You implied that he was one of the best CBs in the CONFERENCE, not just on our team. Why would you say “I think he’s well on his way to being a first team pac-12 cornerback” if you didn’t mean to imply he’s the best CB on the roster? That’s just silly.
I was fine with your original statement, which was “I’m REALLY starting to like Damante Horton”, because I am as well. But to suggest he’s suddenly becoming First Team All Pac 12? That’s a bit much, no?
There are many worse replies in the history of our site. I didn’t think my original comment was bad at all. You took it that way, and in turn, I felt the need to defend myself. Saying things like “I don’t care that the 6 people rec’d that comment, when almost all of them never comment” was probably stupid because it discourages them from joining our community. Everyone is a lurker at some point. Where my frustration stems from is people who are not a part of the community attempting to tell us how we should run the site. The “well if you weren’t such a jerk people would comment more” and the “I might not come back” stuff (that’s said by other people, not you) is extremely frustrating. We work very hard, and aside from Brian, none of us gets paid. I honestly don’t care if people think I’m a jerk. But do you honestly think the way you responded had no affect on the way other people responded? (In terms of recing your comment saying I’m condescending)
This whole thing is silly. You think Horton should be getting all the credit for the interceptions. I, and many others, disagree. Let’s just agree to disagree and move on.
Also, for future references, what do you think works more effectively: saying I’m a condescending jerk in a reply for all to see, or shooting me an e-mail in hopes of clarification? Just something to think about.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe that this was the best way to go about it.
I’m not saying Horton deserves ALL the credit. An INT is the result of defensive pressure from the D-line and whoever else is blitzing. As well as the skillset of the opposing QB. But I’m still saying Horton deserves some credit, and hope for his continued development.
As for recing my comment, no, I’m not that conceited to rec my own ones.
A specific incident comes to mind when Spokane Coug was ejected from the game thread, and you saying that we didn’t know what the “behind-the-scenes” were and kept going on. The day after, I asked for clarification, you responded, “now is not the time”, and I then asked, “well, can you open up a post/discussion for later in the week?”(I don’t know how to do those). And yet nothing was posted, and discussed. So I just simply think that you aren’t that reliable in terms of private responses, so I’d prefer to do them at a public forum.
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we all just stop now?
This is exasperatingly annoying.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 30, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
But important
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
i think I speak for everyone when I say
F*CK YOU KYLE RANCOURT!!
by BigWood! on Oct 30, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I rec'd the comment because I thought it was a funny, backhanded, smart-ass thing to say
Not necessarily because I agree with you, FWIW. It reminded me of Talladega Nights (“with all due respect…”).
Well in that case
you’re still on the Christmas card list
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, what is the "flaws in my logic"?
The only thing I originally stated is that: I REALLY like horton and If he keeps ups this kind of performance, he could be a all pac 12 first teamer…Is it that the fact that I like Horton that is flawed? Or my reasoning that, if a defensive back averages a interception a game, and a pick 6 on 25% of those, he would be a first team selection?…..please elaborate and enlighten me, so I may focus on my flaws and improve as a person
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So you get to try and call me out for being vindictive and condecending
and then you go and do the same thing? A bit hypocritical, no?
As for the flaws in your logic, above, you mentioned that all INTs are sort of lucky. This is true to a degree, but you can’t say things like that (which devalue interceptions) and then say he’s first team all pac12 talent because of interceptions. Interceptions are awesome because they give you the ball back. Interceptions are super overrated, though, when looking at things from a statistical standpoint. INTs are the ERA of football.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you have to fight fire with fire, a hypocrite with a hypocrite
When did I ever say Horton was lucky? I’m NOT saying his INTs are lucky, I’m banging on the Horton drums as loud and hard as i can, because he is in position to make those kinds of plays now, and that’s why I like him.
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
And again, would you mind clarifying what the flaw was in my original statement?
You’re answer is still a bit unclear for me. Is it flawed that I like Horton or that I think a CB who is averaging a pick every game and taking it back for 6 once in a while won’t be considered first team pac-12?? You really just pussy-footed around the issue, and talked about INTs being a overrated stat and what not….
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't averaged an interception every game.
and he’s only returned one to the house. How many pick 6s do you expect him to get the rest of the way?
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I know he hasn't but the recent hot streak that he's been on, luck or not
has given me a glimpse of both the effort and capabilities from him. Just like defense as a whole, he’s still extremely hot and cold. If he keeps playing the way he has, Im hoping/expecting at least one more pick 6, and a total of 2,3 interceptions total.
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Our argument is that his interceptions have almost nothing to do with him
Other than having the talent to not drop them. I would expect Simmons or Washington to make similar plays if they were similarly beaten and the quarterbacks had made similarly poor throws. And if that’s the case, should you also be singing their praises?
Do you see why your argument just isn’t sound?
i see your point now, but then where do we draw the line?
When does the DB get the credit? My praises for Horton stems from his performance not only from this week but past performance as well. Like you said, maybe Washington or Simmons could make similar plays when the QB makes more errant throws their way. BUT I don’t think they would’ve been able to rip that TD pass out of the WR’s hands in the endzone like Horton did, that play was absolutely amazing. But i guess you’re all right, and maybe I’m looking at this thing as a glass-is-half-full point of view too much. Obviously, my opinion of Horton was too skewed, and caused a ruckus on the thread, so I’ll take the responsibility for this, and abstain from future comments. Again I apologize for stirring the pot too much, and will just leave this with a Go Cougs
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I will give you that he made a nice play on that interception
I’m not trying to take all credit from him. Just saying, as I originally commented, that his cover skills have a long way to go. Like most of our other young players, I’m excited about his potential.
Deone Bucannon
is by far our best player on D
Eh, I'd make more a case for AHE
But then again, my original argument/statement was never that Horton was the best player on D. Only that I’m REALLY starting to like him, and am excited for his future potential
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree he's showing some potential and play making ability
I was more responding to this
Who else on the team can claim this kind of defensive play making ability?
Bucannon’s our best playmaker on D, one of the best DB’s we’ve had in a while.
Gotcha. Deone is solid, no doubt, but
I’m just finally excited about the fact that we have a defender who is/has been through the last couple games, a consistent threat to cause a turnover this year.
by crimson coug on Oct 30, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a good linebacker
He’s not a safety yet. Gotta learn how to cover and maintain zone responsibilities for that.
and some BIG NOGS
see what i did there…made it appropriate
His comment might go down as the single greatest in CougCenter history.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Really!
Nice use of a “subject” don’t you think! You must be a lot of fun to be around! Wish you worked for me!
This was from the game thread.
Was poking fun at a poster who went a little… ah… loco.
#CougHarmonyonTwitter with your pants off, M*tha F*cker!
by TiltingRight on Oct 30, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a
link.
#CougHarmonyonTwitter with your pants off, M*tha F*cker!
by TiltingRight on Oct 30, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's have a REAL good time!

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by TiltingRight on Oct 30, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much agree with everything you wrote.
I know we played better, but at this point it’s just tough for me to get too excited about another loss. Hopefully we come out next week and play this well again (in certain areas at least, hopefully we don’t look this bad on special teams again).
Streamin' and Threadin' and Shellin
I am encouraged as well...
but it doesn’t mean much if we don’t go out and beat Cal next week. We really owe them one with the close loss last year in Pullman. Here’s to hoping Lobster cuts down on the bad decisions in the redzone and the front seven continues to play inspired ball. My guess is we bracket Allen most plays next week.
You guys look good
Better than your record indicates. I hope you win your next three to get bowl eligible. As a Dawg, my greatest fear is you win two of the next three and need an Apple Cup win to get to a bowl game!
by Missonary Warthog on Oct 30, 2011 12:41 AM PDT reply actions
Win or lose the next few games, you know we're gonna destroy you guys in Seattle.
Paul Wulff Power!
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
by kelly20210 on Oct 30, 2011 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not going to lie, I'm hoping for the Cougs to have 5 wins going into the AC so we can take a bowl away from them.
It’s been too long since the AC has meant anything to both teams. UW going for their 8th, 9th, or 10th win against a 5-6 WSU team would be a lot of fun.
Having the apple cup be a game to decide a major bowl birth would be cool,
but at the same time I’m happy with the huskies not being in contention for a major bowl berth.
"Win or lose Cougars booze!"
OMG! I just saw some of the football players at Mike's and they didn't look mad about losing at all!
Clearly they just don’t care! / sarcasm.
I really did see some of the football players at Mike’s though.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
for what its worth...
I used to see Players out at the bars on Saturday nights all the time in 2001 and 2002. We seemed to do okay. If they’re out on Sunday through Friday nights then we have an issue.
Remember what happened
After we played a semi-“tight” game against a tough, ranked opponent on the road last year? If Cal beats us 42-0 I might go postal.
I think the OSU game might be that game.
I should say I hope it is.
by newportcoug on Oct 30, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's just rebuilding
it’s that two steps forward one step back thing they keep telling us is part of the rebuilding process. ASU had just come off of a stomping from Cal last year when they handed it to us in Tempe. That kind of makes me nervous cince since Cal just got thumped by UCLA.
I think you mean
one step forward, and two steps back.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 30, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This is bad when I admit that I felt good after this game. (because it was a loss)
I thought the final score was going to be 62-7 after last weeks game, but the players came out fighting yesterday. Of course it was a lot of should of, could of, would of, with the interceptions and special teams play. Man if we did not commit two of those four mistakes this game would have looked so much different. It was a fun game to watch. It makes me feel better about the rest of the season.
Clear eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Our offense has HughMillenitis
Good between the 20’s, sketchy in the red zone.
so - do the Dawgs have any chance?
the game is in Seattle, at night, in the last game to be played in old Husky Stadium.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I think they do.
They have to score when they get opportunities in the redzone and force a few turnovers.
It's going to be a high scoring game
Oregon’s corners are young and Price should have a good day, if he can get time. And Galvin and Winston both had good YPC (for us), which says Polk may also have some running lanes.
But Oregon will slice and dice UW’s secondary by getting the ball outside to their speed guys. It’ll be all about taking advantage of chances without letting Oregon go on scoring runs and take the crowd out of it.
Possibly
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 30, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
GM, what about those tickets?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Whhaaaa?
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Oct 30, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Good game Cougs. Your intensity knocked us all around. You are on your way back to college football powerdom.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I couldn't watch the game because of work
and I think I’m more stable because of it. I’m really tired of “moral victories.”
That said, I’m bummed I missed out on the ’Nog explosion. Classic.

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