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REPORT: Paul Wulff Likely To Be Fired, Mike Leach A Candidate

Bud Withers of the Seattle Times has reported that Paul Wulff is likely to be fired as early as tomorrow. From his post on the Seattle Times website:

Sources close to the situation say Wulff, whose Cougars lost 38-21 to Washington on Saturday at CenturyLink Field, will be dismissed after a meeting with athletic director Bill Moos, barring a last-minute change of direction by Moos. It could happen as early as Sunday, possibly Monday.

After the 38-21 loss to Washington in the Apple Cup earlier this evening it seems unlikely that Moos is going to change his mind. Especially when considering the possible candidates that Moos may have his eye on. From Withers's report again:

A reversal of thinking is unlikely, and sources familiar with the process say the Cougars will have former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach at the top of their list of possible replacements. Leach has been out of coaching since 2009 after a controversial exit from Tech that resulted in him suing the school.

Mike Leach's name has been thrown around all along on message boards, in our own comment section, and in bars across the state. However, to many it never really seemed like a reality that Leach would make his return to coaching in Pullman. While I'm still a bit skeptical as to whether or not WSU could make that hire, I know that Bill Moos is very good at what he does. If he believes he has a legitimate shot at a guy like Leach, with a proven track record of taking a struggling major conference and making them a perennial winner, then that would make the decision not to retain a lot easier.

As we move through this process, let's keep in mind that Paul Wulff is a human being, a Coug, and someone who may be out of a job. Keep your comments civil (not that I have to tell you that, but news like this can bring a lot of different people around). He wants this program to succeed more than anyone, and he has done what he thought was best to reach that goal. He hasn't done that yet, and it appears that Bill Moos has decided to move in another direction.

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Getting Leach would be incredible.

I realize he’s not perfect and wouldn’t represent a panacea. He presents various risks. That said, what a recipe for invigorating the fan base. We’re talking about a guy who has won, and who has done so not just in FBS, but in a solid BCS conference. He’s a brilliant football mind.

All of this said, I do want to say that I appreciate all Paul Wulff has done. I think he’s worked very hard. That said, it just seems like he doesn’t have what it takes to succeed at the Pac-12 level.

by Fractal on Nov 26, 2011 10:16 PM PST reply actions  

Right on time

I’ll take the first guy (or gal) out of the stands who agrees that going for it is the correct decision.

#NusserforWSU

by ClosetCoug on Nov 26, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It's impossible to be too soon. That was awful ...

and not just a one-off event. PW frequently played it safe like that, rather than taking a shot at winning, to avoid having the scoreboard take what little luster there was off of the “improvement” of the team, IMO.

by Fractal on Nov 26, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

…sadly, but rec’d nonetheless.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 3:01 AM PST up reply actions  

12 hours later and I'm still pissed about that punt

how the hell do you quit in that situation? HOW?

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

I was leaning against retaining him anyway, for reasons that were outside of his control (alumni division, fundraising, recruiting next year w/o an extension, etc.), but I literally said he shouldn’t be able to leave the stadium as our coach after that.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

There are no coaches available that don't present some type of risk.

Of the high end coaches, Leach is most likely to come to Pullman, and may even come at a discount because of many a school’s reluctance to take on his particular risks.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 3:25 AM PST up reply actions  

ESPN

The Mike L hire would at least stick it in the face of the Eastern Sports Pro. Network

by willarose on Nov 27, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyone here ever read the blog Smart Football?

You should.

Anyway, the author has a love affair with Mike Leach, and he’s always made me day dream about him as a Cougars coach.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Love Bill Moos, appreciate Wulff.

Rots of ruck getting Leach (whom I love) for at all, let alone more than a year or two. Go Cougs no mattah.

by wazzu93 on Nov 26, 2011 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

Glad you brought up Moos

He was part of the Wulff hiring process and one of the people who told Wulff to build the program the right way. Had Wulff known this BS would start after year 4 would he have brought in hoodlums and jucos to try and get a few more wins? Yes he was hired under another AD but in some regards he was set up to fail. While Moos is doing some good things I hope he takes a good hard look in the mirror if this is true.
With all that said Wulff has left me scratching my head sometimes. But his players play hard for him and do not quit.
The what have you done for me lately and sense of entitlement of this generation is sickening.

by bv eburg on Nov 27, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

As a member of the "this generation" that you are so upset about

I can generalize too. I’m tired of the older generations of Cougs being content to fail 9 out of 10 years as part of the “process” because WSU is just so dang hard to coach.

Wulff lost this year with his players. His guys, that he recruited, and that he coached in many cases for multiple years. If he is fired it is not because he was set up to fail, it is because he failed. Period. If you want to believe WSU is a place where it takes 8 years to build a winner, fine. But stop generalizing about a generation that is not entitled, but has standards and work ethic and expectations.

I won’t get into the other ways your statement is upsetting and wrong, Craig has that handled, but I will say I support his statement 100%.

by 02Coug on Nov 27, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

yes Moos wanted it built the right way

he didn’t say take 8 years to do it.

Note: I’m probably the ‘gray bush’ of this board.

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Grandmas Boy

watch it, love it, quote it

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Paul Wulff seems to be a truly wonderful man

He did the hard work of resuscitating this program and it is sad to see him go.

But with that said, my pants are still—solemnly—coming off.

by ClosetCoug on Nov 26, 2011 10:19 PM PST reply actions  

Keep your pants on for tonight

We lost an apple cup, our basketball team is playing for 7th place in a second rate preseason tournament, and CPW is our coach for at least one more night.

Tomorrow, pants optional.

by 02Coug on Nov 26, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

my pants

are coming off cus im going to bed…looong night
buuut they could stay off if i wake up to the right new tomrorow…..

by korb M coug on Nov 26, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Leach's baggage scares me

But you want to be known nationally for more than just waving flags on gameday at some point. If this move is possible, and I’m far from convinced it is but I’ll go with it, than that makes us a national story for awhile.

I don’t know about replacing Wulff with another FCS coach or a coordinator with little to no head coach experience. But it’s hard to argue against a move like this (if it’s a real possibility, I’ll reserve judgement).

Could I qualify my statements anymore, geez.

by 02Coug on Nov 26, 2011 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

x

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 3:28 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Very Well Put

I was really rooting for Wulff (although my head almost exploded when we were punting near the end).

by Heavy_G on Nov 26, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

can't really think of much to say...I agree with coaching move

You got it down perfectly, well said! Coach Wulff is a damn good Coug, and a class act. He just inherited a terrible situation that was a no win situation, he deserves so much respect. Got to tip my cap to Coach Wulff! I know I sounds stupid or insecure but I’m just nervous if we hire someone like Leach they won’t use WSU as a stepping stone. It just sucks that one of our own Crimson brethren has to get the heave-ho for such a rotten situation, that out of no fault of his own (but the previous staff). I am so glad we have Bill Moos in our corner and has the vision and wherewithal to make Cougar football great again.

I cant define it, I cant tell somebody who isnt a Cougar what its like. Theres something that happens at Washington State;. You quietly and subtly become infected Washington State is a passion. - Coach Jim Walden (1978-1986)

by Cougz4Life509 on Nov 26, 2011 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

So what if Leach uses us as a stepping stone?

Maybe he leaves behind a great assistant. Erickson left and Price became the coach. That worked out alright.

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by Craig Powers on Nov 26, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Give me two winning seasons

And I’ll kneel down so he can step on my back to the next job.

by ClosetCoug on Nov 26, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Did anyone really feel that way when Tony Bennett left?

by NW Pirate fan on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He made several statements that he wanted to stay for a long time

and he turned down more prestigious offers like Indiana. Then he takes the job at Virginia. I mean, if he’s going to dump us, at least upgrade to some one hotter.

by sdcoug09 on Nov 27, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

You say that.

I’ll bet people would have said that with Price, too. They didn’t when the time came.

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by philkid3 on Nov 27, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Price is an entirely different situation

He was our coach for a long time and left more because of issues with WSU leadership than because he wanted the big lights of ’Bama. Just something to keep in mind.

by 02Coug on Nov 27, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I never understood how people could be pissed

about someone taking a job at Bama.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

this

I thought MP made a mistake, but I fully understood why he took the job. I really wanted to see if he could be successful there as well.

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

At the time I was laughing.

I was, um, raised a Huskies fan.

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by philkid3 on Nov 27, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

To me,

If a coach uses us as a stepping stone that means he was successful. I’ll take that right now.

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks

by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 10:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ditto

Totally agree. So what if he comes in for 3 years, we win, and he leaves. It will only make the job more attractive and make it easier to find another quality candidate.

I’m convinced with the talent we have on offense on campus RIGHT NOW, Leach could come in and lead the Pac-12 in offense and get us to a bowl. I think the personnel is perfect for his system, and that has to play a part in his decision about whether to take the job. It’s a perfect fit.

The foundation is vastly improved (thank you PW)…. let’s target a guy who can help us WIN NOW!

by danviens on Nov 27, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand this huge fear we are of being a stepping stone

I think it severely limits our pool of candidates when it becomes a priority to find someone who would stick around if they win. Who cares if someone comes in and wins then leaves after 3 or 4 years? Bring in the next one. You can’t deny that every coach that has won here in the modern era has gone on to a better job. It’s just the way it is. As long as we keep winning, who cares?

by gbob on Nov 26, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I do.

Find a coach sometime who sticks around for two years, literally throws away any rivalry trophy he sees, and then leaves for bigger and better things.

But WSU isn’t a 1AA school. Some prospects will be vulnerable to some opportunities, but it is not intrinsically a stepping-stone job.

by Erik T on Nov 26, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It can be rational without being likely.

I think that appropriately describes the situation. SUPERCOACH X played at tOSU-USC-’Bama-Texas-level school Y and job Y opens up? Yeah, WSU probably loses him. This is a fact of life and should not be the main driver in a hiring decision.

by Erik T on Nov 26, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He got a better job offer.

Winning at WSU arguably looks better on your resume than winning at any “mid-major.” Any coach who wins here will be in demand. Always. I think we could actually use that to our advantage when looking for a coach.

by gbob on Nov 26, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't necessarily disagree.

To be clear, my carpetbagging hatred of Erickson stems mostly from his second Idaho tenure.

by Erik T on Nov 26, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Also ....

Warren Powers (1977) and Jackie Sherrill (1976)

by NW Pirate fan on Nov 27, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Time doesn't matter

Our fan base knows we have the smallest budget. They are still hurt by TB.

It is harder to find a Mike Price than a Coach who would use us as a stepping stone.

We all want a coach with the drive to be the best. That drive will eventually push any successful coach away from WSU. Not just due to more money, due to media exposure. Larger stadiums. More pressure to win from alums.

It’s just the way it is.

what we need to understand is there are plenty of coaches who can be successful at WSU. If someone leaves in 2-3 years. there will be plenty of coaches out there.

This is more about having an AD who will make good hiring decisions than it is about HC’s.

I respected Sterk, but he was an accountant. Moos is not. His replacement will be much like Moos is. (If I am reading the tea leaves correctly).

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I sorta agree

because yeah if we keep winning theres nothing wrong with being a stepping stone…if we keep winning and thats a big if. but who knows maybe well find that guy who has the same vision as moos and will embrace pullman and make it a power house…hopefully

by korb M coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that what Moos wants?

my understanding is that he wants WSU to be the destination, not the stepping stone.

by GHCoug on Nov 27, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

The point of my comment was

there’s no way to control whether or not people leave. Worrying about it is pointless. Obviously the goal is to get someone who stays long term, but that’s absolutely not a requirement. If it is, your list is extremely short.

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

It does?

#LaneKiffinUT

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Even Tennessee is sometimes a stepping stone...

and they have a rabid fan base, 100K seat stadium, and not in the complete middle of nowhere. We need to get over this, if it happens it happens. Bigger donations to the program can decrease a guy’s desire to want to leave but unless you plan on building Pullman into a 200K person city chances are people may leave at some point.

by klokkins on Nov 27, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

That situation was ridiculous.

Kiffin was a Southern Cal guy. He is from Southern Cal, he played at Fresno State, he coached at USC under Pete Carroll. He called USC his dream job. He had zero ties to Tennessee, and he replaced a guy that was a Tennessee alum in Phil Fulmer who had won the Vols a National Championship. Then Tennessee fans want to talk about loyalty? I’m sorry, but fuck that.

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel for the guy.

You have coaches like Mike Stoops who make a complete ass if themselves who quite honestly I’m happy to see fail, and then there’s Paul Wulff. He’s almost the anti Stoops. He stuck it out and kept a cool head when many others (myself included) didn’t. You have to respect a guy for that. I hope his record doesn’t scare everyone off and someone will hire him.

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks

by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 10:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

It's possible to make an ass of yourself without losing your cool.

Sorry, had to take that opening. In all seriousness, he’ll land somewhere. Assuming he’s gone, he’ll have been paid over $3m for four years of work. If the next coach wins, he can say he brought in the talent. He’ll never get a Pac-12 gig anywhere else, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back in the Big Sky, land somewhere as an assistant coach, etc. relatively quickly.

by Fractal on Nov 26, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

If the talent is as good as Wulff wants everyone to believe

Then the next coach will succeed and I’ll gladly tip my cap to Wulff for his hard work in building the talent base.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Wulff deserves a lot of credit

for getting the level of talent to Pullman that is there now, especially those kids that no other Pac12 team wanted

by GHCoug on Nov 26, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

4 year total?

I agree with you, I just hope people understand what he was up against when he got there (most people who participate here do) and what he was able to do in recruiting without winning many games

by GHCoug on Nov 26, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a lot of money

but compared to what other schools pay head coaches (and some assistants) I don’t feel like WSU was getting ripped off. I do however wonder how the Paul Wulff era will be remembered. I know I feel much differently about the guy now than I did 4 years ago, but I didn’t know what the hell I was talking about then. I just hope he doesn’t go down as a major detriment to the program, he did bring in the 2012 Heisman winner, 12 in 2012

by GHCoug on Nov 27, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he was saying we got ripped off.

I think he was simply saying it’s tough to feel bad for a guy who banked over 3 million for services rendered.

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't think he said that either

although rereading my comment it kinda looks like I did. I don’t feel bad for Wulff but I don’t agree with much of the Wulff hate out there

by GHCoug on Nov 27, 2011 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure, in contrast to other coaches.

But there are some who are saying “rooting for someone to not have a job in this economy are heartless” or whatever. That’s a little hyperbolic, no? I don’t have 3 million dollars. Saying he was paid less than his coaching counterparts is fine, but simply saying to feel awful for him because he’s now (or will be soon) unemployed is laughable. He’s a millionaire. Not to mention he’ll probably get swooped up as an assistant fairly quickly.

(Also, this is a completely different argument. I saw people saying this on Facebook and Twitter.)

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not saying feel awful

I’m just saying there’s context. In other words, his yearly salary was in line with WAC/MAC/Sun Belt coaches. It’s not like WSU was paying a whole ton of money for him to do what he was doing. For instance, Turner Gill made about as much money this year as Paul Wulff has over the last four years. TURNER GILL.

by Brian Floyd on Nov 27, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I realize you were talking about in context

and my argument was for out of context. I just felt like bringing it up since people are missing the point on the out of context stuff.

Still, $3 million to win 9 games? I’m not sure he qualifies as someone who is underpaid.

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's not look too far ahead...

Let’s go ahead and have a season where we play in a bowl game before we start discussing Leach using WSU as a stepping stone.

Moos has a plan, and he’s stated clearly, his vision is for WSU to be a desitination not a stepping stone. We’ve got the conference affilitation, once we add the facilities, increase donors and have the means to be financially competitve for coaches, we won’t be looked to as a stop along the way.

Go Cougs!

by ghostof97Coug on Nov 26, 2011 10:46 PM PST reply actions  

If Leach is the guy then I'm wrong saying MQW will top 1800 yards.

With Leach, MQW will will top 2000 yards. Oh and if you hate screens go watch Michael Crabtree TT highlights and get ready more screens than ever.

by Mark Sandritter on Nov 26, 2011 10:50 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

My new cone of silence

Has the mantra “MQW will love playing for Leach so much he comes back for year 4 to eclipse 3000 all purpose yards” and you can’ convince me otherwise. Back to the cone of silence

by 02Coug on Nov 26, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if it makes you feel any better, he is going to destroy 3000 yards next year

He’s already at 2400. He could hit 4000 next year. Year four and you are talking NCAA records.

by Mark Sandritter on Nov 26, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant eclipse 3000 next season

Not for his career. I’m dreaming of a Leach Christmas. And all that he can bring for MQW, including incredibly unrealistic expectations.

Realistically I think 4000 career yards is a target next year regardless of the coach.

by 02Coug on Nov 27, 2011 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

probably no longer

at Washington State. If the Leach rumors are true, I would doubt many current offensive staffers would remain.

There always seems to be the unwavering belief that we have some gem in our WR coaching, under Levy. Is this based on the numbers of NFL recievers that WSU has supplied? No. Is it based on the domination our recivers have shown in the Pac-12, historically? No.

It’s based on him being a Coug and no one else ever hiring him away.

Time to move away from the “same old, same old”

by ghostof97Coug on Nov 26, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Leach...

…but,
A) you will likely have competition for him (and he knows how to play this game …see the dance he had w UW a few years ago
B) I implore you to listen to the show he does with Jack Arute on the radio for 5 straight days and see if that doesn’t strike any alarm bells.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Jack Arute is still around?

I remember as a kid, I always thought they were calling him Jackaroo

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Nov 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

yes ... and in the show that he does with Leach ...

… Arute sounds like the young guy.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd hire Leach just to see the look on Craig James' face when he finds out.

Totally worth it.

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks

by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 11:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'll take it!

Besides, James is an insufferable ass. Also, maybe ESPN will skip out on cover us at all means we might get more Fox/FX coverage which means….GUS!

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by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 12:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes!

Then I won’t ever have to listen to James announce one of our games.

by SoCalCoug on Nov 27, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

The look on Wulff's face after ASU

told me this was a done deal no matter how the rest of the season went. Wulff is a good person and I hope he lands on his feet. I am sure he can find another gig at a lower level. Maybe the rebuild was just too big?

They need to open up the pool to more than just Leach/Bellotti and I’m sure they will do just that in the “search”. If it was a done deal before ASU then Moos has had feelers out for some time. This is a good job for the right guy and Moos will come through with a good hire. Too much is at stake with the new facility project.

Leach sounds like a homerun even if he were only around for 2-3 years. Need to get this thing going and the Pac 12 is up for grabs after Oregon/Stanford/SC. Not many really good teams after those 3.

by BornCoug on Nov 26, 2011 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

Why are we just assuming the Leach would skip out on us?

Are we really that insecure?

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks

by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 11:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think people are just preempting the argument

But yeah, it’s a widely held, if not universal, feeling.. It’s part of what needs to change.

by Fractal on Nov 26, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Tulane?

Unless it’s another BCS spot WSU should trump those spots especially with a facility project breaking ground (it has right?).

Sure if ASU was rumored but I don’t know if that’s a spot he would land. No way UCLA takes him on.

What other BCS job is he rumored to?

by BornCoug on Nov 26, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

UCLA was one rumored destination

but that was before they thumped Cal and earned a Pac-12 South Title

Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**

by Neil Vincent Roberts on Nov 27, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

If they beat Oregon

They play in the rose bowl.

I don’t think he gets fired either way though.

by coug2828 on Nov 27, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm saying I don't care

He might stay for 20 but the bigger point is to find someone that can get WSU winning and going to bowl games.

That’s why I said “even”. I am not saying he would leave I am saying it doesn’t matter in my book.

by BornCoug on Nov 26, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Your Wulffs face comment after ASU

I thought the same thing about his press conferences the last few weeks. He just seemed beat down like he knew what was coming.
I’m not drinking the Moos cool-aid yet. While I like some of the things he is doing this one leaves me queasy.

by bv eburg on Nov 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

ill believe this when i see it

I think if it comes out Monday wulff is retained for a year a lot of people will feel silly

by Kimball10 on Nov 26, 2011 11:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Moos all but confirmed it himself

And we won’t be waiting until Monday. Now that the report’s out there, something has to be said before Wulff’s end of season presser tomorrow night.

by Brian Floyd on Nov 26, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i was thinking the same thing

With all this speculation it would be best for both parties to do it promptly and move on

by Kimball10 on Nov 27, 2011 1:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope you're right

but I think you’re wrong. I’ve come 180 degrees on wulff since 2008 when I couldn’t understand the hire at all. I had no idea about the person Paul Wulff is and what he was up against. That being said I hope whomever is brought in if he is let go can continue the recruiting at the same level or better

by GHCoug on Nov 26, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's done

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 26, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree ...

Guys like Moos don’t piss into the wind.

by NoCalCoug on Nov 27, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

They are.

Plus, like Brian and others have said, Moos all but confirmed it. I understand skepticism, but not sure why you’re not believing this.

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm picturing Gino Simone locked in a closet now

and I’m okay with it.

Sometimes I act irrationally.

by dslagg on Nov 27, 2011 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

Nothing against Gino

He gets sent over the middle and gets his bell rung!

Sometimes I act irrationally.

by dslagg on Nov 27, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Who is Geno Simone?

Maybe a new coach can actually get something out of this guy?

by danviens on Nov 27, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

WR who got a lot of playing time as a frosh,

but has been mired back on the depth chart since.

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks

by Coug999 on Nov 27, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish there was a sarcasm font

Oh I know exactly who Geno is, I just wish Sturdy would have found a way to use his skills in the slot. This kid was one of the first in-state guys who really stood up and said he wanted to be a part of this turnaround, and now he seems to have faded into the background. Maybe Leach could use him like he did Wes Welker. He’s not as fast as Welker, but he’s a tough SOB who runs good routes.

Sturdy would get stuck in ruts where he would just keep calling slow-developing downfield stuff. He would get away from the underneath routes that help you control the TOP with short passes. I think Simone can be a vital part of the offense with the right play-caller.

by danviens on Nov 27, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

But who were you going to replace with him?

Barton was the #2/3 receiver on the team this year and Ratliff and K. Williams were both showing pretty well. He had his chances and did make the most of them and with our depth at receiver you can’t do that and expect to play much. Granted he did make the most of his one reception last night.

by sdcoug09 on Nov 27, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Dammit

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks

by Coug999 on Nov 27, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Here here!

Well said Ben. I knew Paul in college and I was really pulling for him to get this right. I hope he and his staff get the credit they deserve when someone else comes in and wins with these players.

Hopefully he will get another shot; I think he will. I also think it would be smart of Leach or whoever comes in to retain some of the guys on the staff.

by danviens on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I highly doubt he keeps anyone on the offensive side for obvious reasons

And I highly doubt he keeps anyone on the defensive side for what should be obvious reasons. I’ll be surprised if anyone is kept.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 27, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't somebody need to be kept

Just for the purposes of recruiting?

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Nov 27, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

By the way

There were rumors that Mizell had quit the team at halftime and i saw a lot of people worried about it, but he said on twitter (paraphrasing) “Always a c0ug!” Just wanted to make sure people over here didn’t get their panties in a bunch like some other blogs.

by msgp501st on Nov 27, 2011 12:10 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't notice

did he play in the 2nd half?

Sometimes I act irrationally.

by dslagg on Nov 27, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

He was in sweats for the second half

And I saw CJ after the game. He was talking and acting normal. He was hurt, but coach Ball did say there was something else, though he didn’t want to get into it.

by Brian Floyd on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

If Leach is hired...

Is anyone else looking forward to the track suits on the sidelines as much as I am? Mike Leach looks kind of like the 5th guy on the totem pole in a mob family….

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by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Here is my prediction:

Wulff is fired. Leach goes to Ole Miss, Bellotti stays retired, WSU takes Akey or some other lower division head coach. WSU goes 5-7 next year.
Yeah…I just assume the worst is going to happen…

by Kirt on Nov 27, 2011 12:46 AM PST reply actions  

No chance for Akey

He would be a plan D type of guy. I like the guy and enjoyed him jumping around on the sideline but never saw him at this level. He’s on the hot seat at UI although he had one of the all-time great halftime lines at a bowl game.

There are a lot of good coaches out there who are looking for a shot. WSU can give it to them and Moos won’t limit the search to people with WSU ties and it will go beyond Leach and Bellotti.

by BornCoug on Nov 27, 2011 12:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it isn't a gotcha moment

as we all simply speculate. But the “Leach is a shoe in” dance was done last fall by a host of Minnesota newspapers too. Moos may surprise us all yet.

If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.

by hollyweirdcoug on Nov 27, 2011 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Good luck to CPW

If he is gone I definitely wish him the best. If someone comes in next year and is succesful with his recruits I wouldn’t doubt CPW getting another rebuild job at the FBS level.

Also some people are worried about being a “stepping stone”, did we forget that we will almost double our athletic budget next year? If we have a coach that is succesful we will actually be able to compensate them now unlike in years past. And even if he moves on who gives a crap, that means we were good for a few years and Moos will just make another good hire.

I loved the lobster’s effort tonight and throughout the season. It is players like that that make me proud to be a coug even though we have sucked for a while.

Rough night tonight but go cougs.

by bliznair64@gmail.com on Nov 27, 2011 1:46 AM PST reply actions  

Rest of the Staff?

It will be fascinating to see what happens here. If someone like Leach is hired, he might be wise to retain some of the staff. He’s been out of coaching for 2 years and most of his former staff is established elsewhere. He might want to consider keeping Chris Ball. The guy has proven to be one of our top recruiters, especially in Northern California, and the improvement of the defense this year has been one of the most promising delelopments.

And for those of you worried that Leach might use us as a “stepping stone” job, look at his coaching tree. His hands are all over the current success of programs like Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and West Virginia. He’s proven adept at developing young offensive coordinators, and the program could have a successor in place should he choose to bolt after a few years.

I would LOVE to see him hire Gesser as a QB coach. JG has been outspoken about his desire to someday be the head coach at Wazzu, and I thought it was a mistake on Wulff’s part to not give him some sort of full-time position. Let him work his way up on our staff and I think you could have a great young coach in the making.

by danviens on Nov 27, 2011 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

Gesser? For the love of crap...

Hiring underqualified former Cougs is what got us into this mess.

by BigWood! on Nov 27, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m all for Gesser coming back if he works his way to it. But his coaching experience, at this point, is a few years at ECHS and a year with Idaho. Let’s let him get some more experience before we start handing him a spot during our rebuild.

by 02Coug on Nov 27, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm tired of inbred coaching trees.

Go out and experience what high quality, winning programs look like, then I’ll consider supporting you getting the job at my Alma Mater.

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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Pay

WSU will have paid paul w $3 million for the 5 years – that is $333,000 per win.
The end of the day – this is a big time business .

by willarose on Nov 27, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

You guys are terrific .....

We’ve longed for a team worthy of Coach Leach for 2 yrs. now. With the exception of the burden of having to loose your Coach Wulff ( Coach Leach would respect that ), ya’ll would be a win- win. We yelled for Miami ( what a mistake that would have been ) - then Maryland (what a mistake they made ) because I think coach Leach would have enjoyed that challenge. Ole Miss. — we are from there — tho eons ago. You guys would enjoy watching the SEC if that happened ! But, no, my vote is here ! Good people for a good guy who happens to be a great coach !!

Longevity … Coach Leach’s oldest daughter just hooded from Tech’s Med. School this past May. Youngest daughter finishes the Law School this coming May. His and his family’s lives were there. He still grieves for the place and just sold his home there.

Read “Swing Your Sword” - the back has some of the e-mails and depos. in there. (only some) -— Read “Double T Double Cross” by retired Lt. Col. Michael Lee Lanning (Aggie). His book out lines James’ Spaeth Communications political PR firm conspiring with the Universities’ PR Dept., Brooke Robbins (AP reporter) and Joe Scadd (ESPN) to fill the blogs and media with pseudonyms and stories to promote the lies and the Spaeth produced “Closet” video ! Both books are FAST – EASY reads … worth your while what-ever the out come.

His pay …. Coach Leach has NEVER been paid ONE dime on his new ’09 contract ~ or for the last whole season he coached !! THUS his lawsuit with TTU.

Read the “Double T Nation” Blogs. Read the face-book Team Leach. There is still an open revolt among the Alumni, students, and fans. (and, players (?), as Tuberville has highlighted Nancy James and made him Capt.!!) We’ve had 7 players quit or transfer this year. Coach Leach was loved for a reason - of course, his Team - but, because he loved us too !!

Double your fan base instantly …. and we will be supporting by wearing your colors and watching your teams !

by rose7 on Nov 27, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

If you don't already, y'all should follow @smartfootball.

Not only is he just about the best football blogger out there, he knows and loves Leach.

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by philkid3 on Nov 27, 2011 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

PPS: Ya'll will also want to figure out a way to get S&C Coach Bennie Wylie

from University of Texas. He was behind the program’s conditioning and few injuries regime. That’s why Coach Leach’s teams could play for the FULL 60 minutes. They just set back and watched the other teams players start to rest their hands on their hips - and BAM - TD !!

by rose7 on Nov 27, 2011 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

Has anyone heard about any other coaches that we could have interest in?

Urban Meyer?
Nick Holt (kidding)?
Kevin Sumlin?
Jim Tressel?
Les Miles?
Bobby Petrino?

A guys gotta dream big

by luciuswolfey_96 on Nov 27, 2011 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

Even though Meyer likely hangs up on him

Moos wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t at least make that phone call.

I miss *REAL* Four Loko

by B-Lot tailgater on Nov 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he'd hang up on him, honestly.

There’s actually a huge selling point for Pullman for a guy like Meyer. He quit because he couldn’t find work/life balance, and because of the pressure of winning at Florida.

He’d have a 5 minute commute at WSU, and I’m sure it’d take 10 years of mid level bowl games before the natives started thinking about being restless around here.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he's a lock, or that he would give us more than a cursory

and polite thought. Just saying I don’t think he laughs and hangs up, and tells his family it was a telemarketer.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever the decision

I’m so glad it’s not being made by me or by Sterk.

by HDCoug on Nov 27, 2011 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

Feels like the decision has been made, hasn't it?

It already feels like if it’s not Leach, it’s a massive failure.

by BigWood! on Nov 27, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

indeed

i’m just thinking it’s been about 14 hours since Withers dropped the Leach bomb on us. If it doesn’t happen, it’s going to make whoever we actually do hire look like our 2nd choice.

by BigWood! on Nov 27, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And it sure seems like there are going to be a lot of open coaching jobs in the very near future.

by wazzu93 on Nov 27, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

We got a reincarnated Vince Lombardi?

But….what about Leach?

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by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Would anyone be opposed to Rick Moranis?

I mean, we could run the Annexation of Puerto Rico? And he clearly has nothing better to do!

Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelTheCoug

by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

And on his ability to be, as some say, the keymaster

Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelTheCoug

by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You have the ring, and I see your Schwartz is as big as mine

Now let’s see how well you handle it.

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by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

it is settled

Rick Moranis will coach the Washington State Little Giants next season.

by BigWood! on Nov 27, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Does that make Mizell Spike or Icebox?

on the bright side, I’m now calling Marquess Wilson “Hot Hands”. BEST NICKNAME EVAR

by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll make it my next sig line

nah, the one I have makes me laugh. (with you I think)

At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt

by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I thought you would enjoy it.

By the way, I do like HOT HANDS. That is organic.

by SoCalCoug on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It is kind of weird that we beat UW to help them get rid of TW

and apparently they returned the favor. If I were them I probably would’ve thrown the game. 9-40. Only the 70s Beavs produced a worse record over a 4 yr period.
Good luck PW and I expect that you will land on your feet. Leach, there are some great assistants, such as Morton, Tormey and Levy. I hope they make your short list.
Thanks to the Huskies for making this decision so much easier. I believe PW would have been kept with a win.

by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

If the Leach rumors prove true

That would point, to me, that an Apple Cup win would not have saved him. Moos does not seem to be one to make rash or last minute decisions, and if this goes down in the way it seems to be than I think we can safely say the decision was made sometime between OSU and Cal.

by 02Coug on Nov 27, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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