REPORT: Paul Wulff Likely To Be Fired, Mike Leach A Candidate
Bud Withers of the Seattle Times has reported that Paul Wulff is likely to be fired as early as tomorrow. From his post on the Seattle Times website:
Sources close to the situation say Wulff, whose Cougars lost 38-21 to Washington on Saturday at CenturyLink Field, will be dismissed after a meeting with athletic director Bill Moos, barring a last-minute change of direction by Moos. It could happen as early as Sunday, possibly Monday.
After the 38-21 loss to Washington in the Apple Cup earlier this evening it seems unlikely that Moos is going to change his mind. Especially when considering the possible candidates that Moos may have his eye on. From Withers's report again:
A reversal of thinking is unlikely, and sources familiar with the process say the Cougars will have former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach at the top of their list of possible replacements. Leach has been out of coaching since 2009 after a controversial exit from Tech that resulted in him suing the school.
Mike Leach's name has been thrown around all along on message boards, in our own comment section, and in bars across the state. However, to many it never really seemed like a reality that Leach would make his return to coaching in Pullman. While I'm still a bit skeptical as to whether or not WSU could make that hire, I know that Bill Moos is very good at what he does. If he believes he has a legitimate shot at a guy like Leach, with a proven track record of taking a struggling major conference and making them a perennial winner, then that would make the decision not to retain a lot easier.
As we move through this process, let's keep in mind that Paul Wulff is a human being, a Coug, and someone who may be out of a job. Keep your comments civil (not that I have to tell you that, but news like this can bring a lot of different people around). He wants this program to succeed more than anyone, and he has done what he thought was best to reach that goal. He hasn't done that yet, and it appears that Bill Moos has decided to move in another direction.
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Getting Leach would be incredible.
I realize he’s not perfect and wouldn’t represent a panacea. He presents various risks. That said, what a recipe for invigorating the fan base. We’re talking about a guy who has won, and who has done so not just in FBS, but in a solid BCS conference. He’s a brilliant football mind.
All of this said, I do want to say that I appreciate all Paul Wulff has done. I think he’s worked very hard. That said, it just seems like he doesn’t have what it takes to succeed at the Pac-12 level.
I know he wouldn't punt it down 17 with five minutes to go
Too soon?
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Right on time
I’ll take the first guy (or gal) out of the stands who agrees that going for it is the correct decision.
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It's impossible to be too soon. That was awful ...
and not just a one-off event. PW frequently played it safe like that, rather than taking a shot at winning, to avoid having the scoreboard take what little luster there was off of the “improvement” of the team, IMO.
too soon? too soon?
I walked out of CLink when we punted. As I’ve said a few places tonight.
I didn’t quit on the 2011 coaching staff, they quit on me.
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by woolybugger on Nov 26, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
…sadly, but rec’d nonetheless.
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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 3:01 AM PST up reply actions
12 hours later and I'm still pissed about that punt
how the hell do you quit in that situation? HOW?
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I agree 100%.
I was leaning against retaining him anyway, for reasons that were outside of his control (alumni division, fundraising, recruiting next year w/o an extension, etc.), but I literally said he shouldn’t be able to leave the stadium as our coach after that.
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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
There are no coaches available that don't present some type of risk.
Of the high end coaches, Leach is most likely to come to Pullman, and may even come at a discount because of many a school’s reluctance to take on his particular risks.
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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 3:25 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone here ever read the blog Smart Football?
You should.
Anyway, the author has a love affair with Mike Leach, and he’s always made me day dream about him as a Cougars coach.
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Love Bill Moos, appreciate Wulff.
Rots of ruck getting Leach (whom I love) for at all, let alone more than a year or two. Go Cougs no mattah.
Wouldn't it be
Rots of ruck getting Reach?
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 26, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Glad you brought up Moos
He was part of the Wulff hiring process and one of the people who told Wulff to build the program the right way. Had Wulff known this BS would start after year 4 would he have brought in hoodlums and jucos to try and get a few more wins? Yes he was hired under another AD but in some regards he was set up to fail. While Moos is doing some good things I hope he takes a good hard look in the mirror if this is true.
With all that said Wulff has left me scratching my head sometimes. But his players play hard for him and do not quit.
The what have you done for me lately and sense of entitlement of this generation is sickening.
Of this generation?
I’m not even on your lawn old man…I’m on the street.
What about the big donors who are supposedly asking for a new hire? Are they also part of this generation of entitlement?
You know what, your last sentence really pissed me off. It is a bullshit generalization. I and many others in my generation have worked our asses off. Get the hell out of here.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 27, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
As a member of the "this generation" that you are so upset about
I can generalize too. I’m tired of the older generations of Cougs being content to fail 9 out of 10 years as part of the “process” because WSU is just so dang hard to coach.
Wulff lost this year with his players. His guys, that he recruited, and that he coached in many cases for multiple years. If he is fired it is not because he was set up to fail, it is because he failed. Period. If you want to believe WSU is a place where it takes 8 years to build a winner, fine. But stop generalizing about a generation that is not entitled, but has standards and work ethic and expectations.
I won’t get into the other ways your statement is upsetting and wrong, Craig has that handled, but I will say I support his statement 100%.
by 02Coug on Nov 27, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
yes Moos wanted it built the right way
he didn’t say take 8 years to do it.
Note: I’m probably the ‘gray bush’ of this board.
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by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Grandmas Boy
watch it, love it, quote it
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by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Hi, I'm Kyle.
I have a bush, and it’s not grey.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Paul Wulff seems to be a truly wonderful man
He did the hard work of resuscitating this program and it is sad to see him go.
But with that said, my pants are still—solemnly—coming off.
Keep your pants on for tonight
We lost an apple cup, our basketball team is playing for 7th place in a second rate preseason tournament, and CPW is our coach for at least one more night.
Tomorrow, pants optional.
my pants
are coming off cus im going to bed…looong night
buuut they could stay off if i wake up to the right new tomrorow…..
by korb M coug on Nov 26, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Leach's baggage scares me
But you want to be known nationally for more than just waving flags on gameday at some point. If this move is possible, and I’m far from convinced it is but I’ll go with it, than that makes us a national story for awhile.
I don’t know about replacing Wulff with another FCS coach or a coordinator with little to no head coach experience. But it’s hard to argue against a move like this (if it’s a real possibility, I’ll reserve judgement).
Could I qualify my statements anymore, geez.
His baggage shouldn't scare you.
We’d be hiring Leach, not Craig James.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 26, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
x

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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 3:28 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No matter what happens to Paul, he deserves all the respect in the world.
I am a concerned as the next guy that he has the ability to take this team to the next level but there is no question that whoever followed Doba was going to lose and lose a lot. Paul came in, risked his reputation, and led this team through the toughest time it’s ever had. There is no question that the talent level and the recruits he has here are much better than when he got here. He put his career on the line to help out his alma matter and did it with class, dignity, and respect.
I understand if the brass feels that he has to move on, a large part of me feels that way too, but I’m going to be sad to see this class act move on.
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by GoCougs on Nov 26, 2011 10:22 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
Very Well Put
I was really rooting for Wulff (although my head almost exploded when we were punting near the end).
can't really think of much to say...I agree with coaching move
You got it down perfectly, well said! Coach Wulff is a damn good Coug, and a class act. He just inherited a terrible situation that was a no win situation, he deserves so much respect. Got to tip my cap to Coach Wulff! I know I sounds stupid or insecure but I’m just nervous if we hire someone like Leach they won’t use WSU as a stepping stone. It just sucks that one of our own Crimson brethren has to get the heave-ho for such a rotten situation, that out of no fault of his own (but the previous staff). I am so glad we have Bill Moos in our corner and has the vision and wherewithal to make Cougar football great again.
I cant define it, I cant tell somebody who isnt a Cougar what its like. Theres something that happens at Washington State;. You quietly and subtly become infected Washington State is a passion. - Coach Jim Walden (1978-1986)
So what if Leach uses us as a stepping stone?
Maybe he leaves behind a great assistant. Erickson left and Price became the coach. That worked out alright.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 26, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
And I know that Price wasn't an assistant for Erickson.
But he recommended him.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 26, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Give me two winning seasons
And I’ll kneel down so he can step on my back to the next job.
Really?
Did anyone really feel that way when Tony Bennett left?
by NW Pirate fan on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He made several statements that he wanted to stay for a long time
and he turned down more prestigious offers like Indiana. Then he takes the job at Virginia. I mean, if he’s going to dump us, at least upgrade to some one hotter.
Ralph Sampson ain't walking through that door.
Neither is Olden Polynice.
by Coug Friendly Canuck on Nov 27, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
You say that.
I’ll bet people would have said that with Price, too. They didn’t when the time came.
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Price is an entirely different situation
He was our coach for a long time and left more because of issues with WSU leadership than because he wanted the big lights of ’Bama. Just something to keep in mind.
I never understood how people could be pissed
about someone taking a job at Bama.
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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
this
I thought MP made a mistake, but I fully understood why he took the job. I really wanted to see if he could be successful there as well.
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by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
At the time I was laughing.
I was, um, raised a Huskies fan.
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To me,
If a coach uses us as a stepping stone that means he was successful. I’ll take that right now.
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by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 10:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bingo.
Besides, Leach didn’t use TT as a stepping stone, even though he could have.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Ditto
Totally agree. So what if he comes in for 3 years, we win, and he leaves. It will only make the job more attractive and make it easier to find another quality candidate.
I’m convinced with the talent we have on offense on campus RIGHT NOW, Leach could come in and lead the Pac-12 in offense and get us to a bowl. I think the personnel is perfect for his system, and that has to play a part in his decision about whether to take the job. It’s a perfect fit.
The foundation is vastly improved (thank you PW)…. let’s target a guy who can help us WIN NOW!
Yes, then when he leaves
we can all talk about how much we liked Leach’s system for the next 10+ years.
by SoCalCoug on Nov 27, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
He marches enough to the beat of a different drum that I think he would have a chance of sticking around.
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For what it's worth, Leach wants to coach football, and he never looked anxious to leave TTU.
WSU isn’t in a vastly different position.
My memory is excellently selective.
I still think he’d deeply appreciate being given a fucking shot.
Yet he didn't leave.
And he was underpaid.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't leave because he wasn't hired.
This is not an argument against Mike Leach by the way.
TTU gave him a 5 year 12.7 million dollar deal
In Feb 2009
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by B-Lot tailgater on Nov 27, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Just about all of his interviews came after he had been there 6 or 7 years...
I’d take 4 years and 3 bowls in a heartbeat. As the previous guy said, I’d buy him the plane ticket to his next job if he delivers that.
I don't understand this huge fear we are of being a stepping stone
I think it severely limits our pool of candidates when it becomes a priority to find someone who would stick around if they win. Who cares if someone comes in and wins then leaves after 3 or 4 years? Bring in the next one. You can’t deny that every coach that has won here in the modern era has gone on to a better job. It’s just the way it is. As long as we keep winning, who cares?
I do.
Find a coach sometime who sticks around for two years, literally throws away any rivalry trophy he sees, and then leaves for bigger and better things.
But WSU isn’t a 1AA school. Some prospects will be vulnerable to some opportunities, but it is not intrinsically a stepping-stone job.
And how often has it happened in the last 20 years?
It’s an irrational fear.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
It can be rational without being likely.
I think that appropriately describes the situation. SUPERCOACH X played at tOSU-USC-’Bama-Texas-level school Y and job Y opens up? Yeah, WSU probably loses him. This is a fact of life and should not be the main driver in a hiring decision.
Fact of life, but the only time it's really happened is with Erickson.
As you said, it should have no bearing on the decision.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
He got a better job offer.
Winning at WSU arguably looks better on your resume than winning at any “mid-major.” Any coach who wins here will be in demand. Always. I think we could actually use that to our advantage when looking for a coach.
We don't necessarily disagree.
To be clear, my carpetbagging hatred of Erickson stems mostly from his second Idaho tenure.
Also ....
Warren Powers (1977) and Jackie Sherrill (1976)
by NW Pirate fan on Nov 27, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
If that's the case, Erickson wasn't relevant either
Hat was nearly 25 years ago
Time doesn't matter
Our fan base knows we have the smallest budget. They are still hurt by TB.
It is harder to find a Mike Price than a Coach who would use us as a stepping stone.
We all want a coach with the drive to be the best. That drive will eventually push any successful coach away from WSU. Not just due to more money, due to media exposure. Larger stadiums. More pressure to win from alums.
It’s just the way it is.
what we need to understand is there are plenty of coaches who can be successful at WSU. If someone leaves in 2-3 years. there will be plenty of coaches out there.
This is more about having an AD who will make good hiring decisions than it is about HC’s.
I respected Sterk, but he was an accountant. Moos is not. His replacement will be much like Moos is. (If I am reading the tea leaves correctly).
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by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I sorta agree
because yeah if we keep winning theres nothing wrong with being a stepping stone…if we keep winning and thats a big if. but who knows maybe well find that guy who has the same vision as moos and will embrace pullman and make it a power house…hopefully
I thought we were done with the insecure ex girlfriend thing?
If he leaves, that means he won.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 26, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Is that what Moos wants?
my understanding is that he wants WSU to be the destination, not the stepping stone.
The point of my comment was
there’s no way to control whether or not people leave. Worrying about it is pointless. Obviously the goal is to get someone who stays long term, but that’s absolutely not a requirement. If it is, your list is extremely short.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Even Tennessee is sometimes a stepping stone...
and they have a rabid fan base, 100K seat stadium, and not in the complete middle of nowhere. We need to get over this, if it happens it happens. Bigger donations to the program can decrease a guy’s desire to want to leave but unless you plan on building Pullman into a 200K person city chances are people may leave at some point.
That situation was ridiculous.
Kiffin was a Southern Cal guy. He is from Southern Cal, he played at Fresno State, he coached at USC under Pete Carroll. He called USC his dream job. He had zero ties to Tennessee, and he replaced a guy that was a Tennessee alum in Phil Fulmer who had won the Vols a National Championship. Then Tennessee fans want to talk about loyalty? I’m sorry, but fuck that.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I feel for the guy.
You have coaches like Mike Stoops who make a complete ass if themselves who quite honestly I’m happy to see fail, and then there’s Paul Wulff. He’s almost the anti Stoops. He stuck it out and kept a cool head when many others (myself included) didn’t. You have to respect a guy for that. I hope his record doesn’t scare everyone off and someone will hire him.
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by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 10:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It's possible to make an ass of yourself without losing your cool.
Sorry, had to take that opening. In all seriousness, he’ll land somewhere. Assuming he’s gone, he’ll have been paid over $3m for four years of work. If the next coach wins, he can say he brought in the talent. He’ll never get a Pac-12 gig anywhere else, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back in the Big Sky, land somewhere as an assistant coach, etc. relatively quickly.
If the talent is as good as Wulff wants everyone to believe
Then the next coach will succeed and I’ll gladly tip my cap to Wulff for his hard work in building the talent base.
Wulff deserves a lot of credit
for getting the level of talent to Pullman that is there now, especially those kids that no other Pac12 team wanted
I'd say $3 million is a pretty handsome sum to add talent to a school.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
4 year total?
I agree with you, I just hope people understand what he was up against when he got there (most people who participate here do) and what he was able to do in recruiting without winning many games
5-year total, including next year at $650,000.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
That's a lot of money
but compared to what other schools pay head coaches (and some assistants) I don’t feel like WSU was getting ripped off. I do however wonder how the Paul Wulff era will be remembered. I know I feel much differently about the guy now than I did 4 years ago, but I didn’t know what the hell I was talking about then. I just hope he doesn’t go down as a major detriment to the program, he did bring in the 2012 Heisman winner, 12 in 2012
I don't think he was saying we got ripped off.
I think he was simply saying it’s tough to feel bad for a guy who banked over 3 million for services rendered.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't think he said that either
although rereading my comment it kinda looks like I did. I don’t feel bad for Wulff but I don’t agree with much of the Wulff hate out there
$3 million over the course of the contact is pennies.
by Brian Floyd on Nov 27, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
relatively speaking, wulff was paid pennies
but that’s not what he’s saying. i don’t feel bad for firing Wulff. he left with $3 million dollars.
Sure, in contrast to other coaches.
But there are some who are saying “rooting for someone to not have a job in this economy are heartless” or whatever. That’s a little hyperbolic, no? I don’t have 3 million dollars. Saying he was paid less than his coaching counterparts is fine, but simply saying to feel awful for him because he’s now (or will be soon) unemployed is laughable. He’s a millionaire. Not to mention he’ll probably get swooped up as an assistant fairly quickly.
(Also, this is a completely different argument. I saw people saying this on Facebook and Twitter.)
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying feel awful
I’m just saying there’s context. In other words, his yearly salary was in line with WAC/MAC/Sun Belt coaches. It’s not like WSU was paying a whole ton of money for him to do what he was doing. For instance, Turner Gill made about as much money this year as Paul Wulff has over the last four years. TURNER GILL.
Yeah I realize you were talking about in context
and my argument was for out of context. I just felt like bringing it up since people are missing the point on the out of context stuff.
Still, $3 million to win 9 games? I’m not sure he qualifies as someone who is underpaid.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Let's not look too far ahead...
Let’s go ahead and have a season where we play in a bowl game before we start discussing Leach using WSU as a stepping stone.
Moos has a plan, and he’s stated clearly, his vision is for WSU to be a desitination not a stepping stone. We’ve got the conference affilitation, once we add the facilities, increase donors and have the means to be financially competitve for coaches, we won’t be looked to as a stop along the way.
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If Leach is the guy then I'm wrong saying MQW will top 1800 yards.
With Leach, MQW will will top 2000 yards. Oh and if you hate screens go watch Michael Crabtree TT highlights and get ready more screens than ever.
by Mark Sandritter on Nov 26, 2011 10:50 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
My new cone of silence
Has the mantra “MQW will love playing for Leach so much he comes back for year 4 to eclipse 3000 all purpose yards” and you can’ convince me otherwise. Back to the cone of silence
Well if it makes you feel any better, he is going to destroy 3000 yards next year
He’s already at 2400. He could hit 4000 next year. Year four and you are talking NCAA records.
by Mark Sandritter on Nov 26, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I meant eclipse 3000 next season
Not for his career. I’m dreaming of a Leach Christmas. And all that he can bring for MQW, including incredibly unrealistic expectations.
Realistically I think 4000 career yards is a target next year regardless of the coach.
I wish Wulff the very best, be it in Pullman or anywhere else. I watched his teams and I was proud to cheer them on over several time zones.
I wish things had gone better, but I think it’s appropriate to move on.
Leach also seemed to serve as a wide receivers coach.
So where does that leave Mike L.?
probably no longer
at Washington State. If the Leach rumors are true, I would doubt many current offensive staffers would remain.
There always seems to be the unwavering belief that we have some gem in our WR coaching, under Levy. Is this based on the numbers of NFL recievers that WSU has supplied? No. Is it based on the domination our recivers have shown in the Pac-12, historically? No.
It’s based on him being a Coug and no one else ever hiring him away.
Time to move away from the “same old, same old”
by ghostof97Coug on Nov 26, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Moos knows what he's doing ...
If Mike Leach is El Capitan then Bill is Admiral Farragut and the Cougar ship is about to be righted. Hold on folks, we are entering a new era of Cougar Football. Leach is a great coach, a loyal guy and he’s looking for a opportunity. No more underdog mentality. This is what Moos has promised all along. It starts right now.
by NoCalCoug on Nov 26, 2011 10:56 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I like Leach...
…but,
A) you will likely have competition for him (and he knows how to play this game …see the dance he had w UW a few years ago
B) I implore you to listen to the show he does with Jack Arute on the radio for 5 straight days and see if that doesn’t strike any alarm bells.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Jack Arute is still around?
I remember as a kid, I always thought they were calling him Jackaroo
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
yes ... and in the show that he does with Leach ...
… Arute sounds like the young guy.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I'd hire Leach just to see the look on Craig James' face when he finds out.
Totally worth it.
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by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 11:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They wanted to ask his son
but his cell phone doesn’t get reception in the electrical closet.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 26, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
As a plus, we'd probably be able to avoid Thursday night football games for the sole reason the Craig James wouldn't want to talk about him
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I'll take it!
Besides, James is an insufferable ass. Also, maybe ESPN will skip out on cover us at all means we might get more Fox/FX coverage which means….GUS!
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by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 12:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Craig James is a consummate pro, and would put aside any personal feelings about Leach.
(yes, I was laughing as I typed that)
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by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
The look on Wulff's face after ASU
told me this was a done deal no matter how the rest of the season went. Wulff is a good person and I hope he lands on his feet. I am sure he can find another gig at a lower level. Maybe the rebuild was just too big?
They need to open up the pool to more than just Leach/Bellotti and I’m sure they will do just that in the “search”. If it was a done deal before ASU then Moos has had feelers out for some time. This is a good job for the right guy and Moos will come through with a good hire. Too much is at stake with the new facility project.
Leach sounds like a homerun even if he were only around for 2-3 years. Need to get this thing going and the Pac 12 is up for grabs after Oregon/Stanford/SC. Not many really good teams after those 3.
Why are we just assuming the Leach would skip out on us?
Are we really that insecure?
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by Coug999 on Nov 26, 2011 11:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think people are just preempting the argument
But yeah, it’s a widely held, if not universal, feeling.. It’s part of what needs to change.
Like Tulane?
Unless it’s another BCS spot WSU should trump those spots especially with a facility project breaking ground (it has right?).
Sure if ASU was rumored but I don’t know if that’s a spot he would land. No way UCLA takes him on.
What other BCS job is he rumored to?
UCLA was one rumored destination
but that was before they thumped Cal and earned a Pac-12 South Title
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Nov 27, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
Rick is still getting fired.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
If they beat Oregon
They play in the rose bowl.
I don’t think he gets fired either way though.
Leach wouldn't have been mentioned by Withers if we couldn't get him.
by BigWood! on Nov 27, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm saying I don't care
He might stay for 20 but the bigger point is to find someone that can get WSU winning and going to bowl games.
That’s why I said “even”. I am not saying he would leave I am saying it doesn’t matter in my book.
Your Wulffs face comment after ASU
I thought the same thing about his press conferences the last few weeks. He just seemed beat down like he knew what was coming.
I’m not drinking the Moos cool-aid yet. While I like some of the things he is doing this one leaves me queasy.
ill believe this when i see it
I think if it comes out Monday wulff is retained for a year a lot of people will feel silly
by Kimball10 on Nov 26, 2011 11:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Vince said Moos wouldn't deny it, insinuating that was a confirmation.
And Withers is very, very well connected.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 26, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Moos all but confirmed it himself
And we won’t be waiting until Monday. Now that the report’s out there, something has to be said before Wulff’s end of season presser tomorrow night.
by Brian Floyd on Nov 26, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i was thinking the same thing
With all this speculation it would be best for both parties to do it promptly and move on
by Kimball10 on Nov 27, 2011 1:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hope you're right
but I think you’re wrong. I’ve come 180 degrees on wulff since 2008 when I couldn’t understand the hire at all. I had no idea about the person Paul Wulff is and what he was up against. That being said I hope whomever is brought in if he is let go can continue the recruiting at the same level or better
It's done
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by woolybugger on Nov 26, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
They are.
Plus, like Brian and others have said, Moos all but confirmed it. I understand skepticism, but not sure why you’re not believing this.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
If Leach is hired Gameday won't come until someone destroys the pictures Craig James has of John Skipper.
Who’s with me, road trip to Bristol?
by Mark Sandritter on Nov 26, 2011 11:54 PM PST reply actions
I'm picturing Gino Simone locked in a closet now
and I’m okay with it.
Sometimes I act irrationally.
Nothing against Gino
He gets sent over the middle and gets his bell rung!
Sometimes I act irrationally.
Who is Geno Simone?
Maybe a new coach can actually get something out of this guy?
WR who got a lot of playing time as a frosh,
but has been mired back on the depth chart since.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
I wish there was a sarcasm font
Oh I know exactly who Geno is, I just wish Sturdy would have found a way to use his skills in the slot. This kid was one of the first in-state guys who really stood up and said he wanted to be a part of this turnaround, and now he seems to have faded into the background. Maybe Leach could use him like he did Wes Welker. He’s not as fast as Welker, but he’s a tough SOB who runs good routes.
Sturdy would get stuck in ruts where he would just keep calling slow-developing downfield stuff. He would get away from the underneath routes that help you control the TOP with short passes. I think Simone can be a vital part of the offense with the right play-caller.
But who were you going to replace with him?
Barton was the #2/3 receiver on the team this year and Ratliff and K. Williams were both showing pretty well. He had his chances and did make the most of them and with our depth at receiver you can’t do that and expect to play much. Granted he did make the most of his one reception last night.
Here you go.

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by Craig Powers on Nov 27, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
IF Wulff is fired
then this is a pretty sad day for Cougar athletics. This move may be, or probably is, the best choice for Cougar football going forward, but it is sad to have to do it at the expense of one of the most loyal, hard working, principled coaches out there.
Ultimately, if Wulff is let go it comes down purely to his game-time decisions. I don’t think anyone can impugn his recruiting abilities or his ability to clean up the program. Wulff may never be known as a great decision maker on the field, but it may be shown that he was a great program builder.
No matter what, Wulff gets my respect as a great Cougar and a great human being.
I feel a bit like what Edward Norton must have felt like when he shot himself in the face to get rid of Tyler Durden in Fight Club….
by Ben Wentz on Nov 27, 2011 12:05 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Here here!
Well said Ben. I knew Paul in college and I was really pulling for him to get this right. I hope he and his staff get the credit they deserve when someone else comes in and wins with these players.
Hopefully he will get another shot; I think he will. I also think it would be smart of Leach or whoever comes in to retain some of the guys on the staff.
I highly doubt he keeps anyone on the offensive side for obvious reasons
And I highly doubt he keeps anyone on the defensive side for what should be obvious reasons. I’ll be surprised if anyone is kept.
Doesn't somebody need to be kept
Just for the purposes of recruiting?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
standard protocol is to keep at least one guy for continuity's sake
but Mike Leach is hardly standard protocol.
By the way
There were rumors that Mizell had quit the team at halftime and i saw a lot of people worried about it, but he said on twitter (paraphrasing) “Always a c0ug!” Just wanted to make sure people over here didn’t get their panties in a bunch like some other blogs.
I didn't notice
did he play in the 2nd half?
Sometimes I act irrationally.
He was in sweats for the second half
And I saw CJ after the game. He was talking and acting normal. He was hurt, but coach Ball did say there was something else, though he didn’t want to get into it.
by Brian Floyd on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
If Leach is hired...
Is anyone else looking forward to the track suits on the sidelines as much as I am? Mike Leach looks kind of like the 5th guy on the totem pole in a mob family….
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by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If you guys thought Paul Wulff Press Conference Face was awesome ...
just wait.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Paul Wulff Boober Pciking Face was pretty cool....
Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelTheCoug
by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, thanks phone for making Booger into Boober and some other misspellings
I should really go to sleep
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by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Here is my prediction:
Wulff is fired. Leach goes to Ole Miss, Bellotti stays retired, WSU takes Akey or some other lower division head coach. WSU goes 5-7 next year.
Yeah…I just assume the worst is going to happen…
No chance for Akey
He would be a plan D type of guy. I like the guy and enjoyed him jumping around on the sideline but never saw him at this level. He’s on the hot seat at UI although he had one of the all-time great halftime lines at a bowl game.
There are a lot of good coaches out there who are looking for a shot. WSU can give it to them and Moos won’t limit the search to people with WSU ties and it will go beyond Leach and Bellotti.
Hey, I don't know about you, but we cannot jump to conclusions until after the two days.
You do not want a gotcha moment.
Please do not ask me for jokes
by well you win some and lose others on Nov 27, 2011 1:06 AM PST reply actions
This post isn't jumping to conclusions.
It’s citing reputable sources.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it isn't a gotcha moment
as we all simply speculate. But the “Leach is a shoe in” dance was done last fall by a host of Minnesota newspapers too. Moos may surprise us all yet.
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Nov 27, 2011 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty sure I conveyed how skeptical I still am in the post.
But it is Bud Withers here, not some random rumor site.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 27, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Good luck to CPW
If he is gone I definitely wish him the best. If someone comes in next year and is succesful with his recruits I wouldn’t doubt CPW getting another rebuild job at the FBS level.
Also some people are worried about being a “stepping stone”, did we forget that we will almost double our athletic budget next year? If we have a coach that is succesful we will actually be able to compensate them now unlike in years past. And even if he moves on who gives a crap, that means we were good for a few years and Moos will just make another good hire.
I loved the lobster’s effort tonight and throughout the season. It is players like that that make me proud to be a coug even though we have sucked for a while.
Rough night tonight but go cougs.
by bliznair64@gmail.com on Nov 27, 2011 1:46 AM PST reply actions
I trust Bill Moos
I don’t think he would make this move unless he feels he has a legitimate shot at an established head coach who can take us to the next level. In fact, I think he made those phone calls last year and didn’t get the response he wanted, hence the retention of Wulff for one more year.
I believe he has a short list already compiled, and he KNOWS the guys on that list will listen.
Don’t underestimate the allure of our new TV deal. We can pay a couple million for the right guy now, and don’t you think Leach has to be intrigued by the talent we have coming back on offense, and our history of being able to attract skill position players? He must also realize that his personality will play in Pullman where it may not in other bigger markets. Lastly, have you heard this guy rave about how good he thinks the jobs might be at U-Mass and Tulane? Really?!
Bill Moos knows this is going to be the defining hire of his tenure, and he has a president that has made it known he wants the football program to produce revenue. He’s not going to fire Paul Wulff and replace him with some other unknown coordinator.
My final note. I knew Paul Wulff in college. I roomed with Timm Rosenbach and spent a lot of time with the O-lineman. I respect Wulff and the job he’s done changing the culture of the program. In the end, he and his staff weren’t as good on Saturdays as they were on the recruiting trail, but I hope their efforts aren’t forgotten when another coach comes in and wins right away with their kids.
I know this was Paul’s dream job, and now it appears it’s being taken away from him. I know what that feels like, and it’s going to be a crushing blow for him and his family. I wish him the best and I trust that he will land on his feet as a head coach again.
Go Cougs!!!!
by danviens on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Rest of the Staff?
It will be fascinating to see what happens here. If someone like Leach is hired, he might be wise to retain some of the staff. He’s been out of coaching for 2 years and most of his former staff is established elsewhere. He might want to consider keeping Chris Ball. The guy has proven to be one of our top recruiters, especially in Northern California, and the improvement of the defense this year has been one of the most promising delelopments.
And for those of you worried that Leach might use us as a “stepping stone” job, look at his coaching tree. His hands are all over the current success of programs like Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and West Virginia. He’s proven adept at developing young offensive coordinators, and the program could have a successor in place should he choose to bolt after a few years.
I would LOVE to see him hire Gesser as a QB coach. JG has been outspoken about his desire to someday be the head coach at Wazzu, and I thought it was a mistake on Wulff’s part to not give him some sort of full-time position. Let him work his way up on our staff and I think you could have a great young coach in the making.
Chris Ball is the DC and coaches the secondary.
/drops mic
by Brian Floyd on Nov 27, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
FLAG'D
and rec’d
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Gesser? For the love of crap...
Hiring underqualified former Cougs is what got us into this mess.
Yeah
I’m all for Gesser coming back if he works his way to it. But his coaching experience, at this point, is a few years at ECHS and a year with Idaho. Let’s let him get some more experience before we start handing him a spot during our rebuild.
I'm tired of inbred coaching trees.
Go out and experience what high quality, winning programs look like, then I’ll consider supporting you getting the job at my Alma Mater.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Pay
WSU will have paid paul w $3 million for the 5 years – that is $333,000 per win.
The end of the day – this is a big time business .
You guys are terrific .....
We’ve longed for a team worthy of Coach Leach for 2 yrs. now. With the exception of the burden of having to loose your Coach Wulff ( Coach Leach would respect that ), ya’ll would be a win- win. We yelled for Miami ( what a mistake that would have been ) - then Maryland (what a mistake they made ) because I think coach Leach would have enjoyed that challenge. Ole Miss. — we are from there — tho eons ago. You guys would enjoy watching the SEC if that happened ! But, no, my vote is here ! Good people for a good guy who happens to be a great coach !!
Longevity … Coach Leach’s oldest daughter just hooded from Tech’s Med. School this past May. Youngest daughter finishes the Law School this coming May. His and his family’s lives were there. He still grieves for the place and just sold his home there.
Read “Swing Your Sword” - the back has some of the e-mails and depos. in there. (only some) -— Read “Double T Double Cross” by retired Lt. Col. Michael Lee Lanning (Aggie). His book out lines James’ Spaeth Communications political PR firm conspiring with the Universities’ PR Dept., Brooke Robbins (AP reporter) and Joe Scadd (ESPN) to fill the blogs and media with pseudonyms and stories to promote the lies and the Spaeth produced “Closet” video ! Both books are FAST – EASY reads … worth your while what-ever the out come.
His pay …. Coach Leach has NEVER been paid ONE dime on his new ’09 contract ~ or for the last whole season he coached !! THUS his lawsuit with TTU.
Read the “Double T Nation” Blogs. Read the face-book Team Leach. There is still an open revolt among the Alumni, students, and fans. (and, players (?), as Tuberville has highlighted Nancy James and made him Capt.!!) We’ve had 7 players quit or transfer this year. Coach Leach was loved for a reason - of course, his Team - but, because he loved us too !!
Double your fan base instantly …. and we will be supporting by wearing your colors and watching your teams !
by rose7 on Nov 27, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If you don't already, y'all should follow @smartfootball.
Not only is he just about the best football blogger out there, he knows and loves Leach.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
PPS: Ya'll will also want to figure out a way to get S&C Coach Bennie Wylie
from University of Texas. He was behind the program’s conditioning and few injuries regime. That’s why Coach Leach’s teams could play for the FULL 60 minutes. They just set back and watched the other teams players start to rest their hands on their hips - and BAM - TD !!
Has anyone heard about any other coaches that we could have interest in?
Urban Meyer?
Nick Holt (kidding)?
Kevin Sumlin?
Jim Tressel?
Les Miles?
Bobby Petrino?
A guys gotta dream big
by luciuswolfey_96 on Nov 27, 2011 11:01 AM PST reply actions
Even though Meyer likely hangs up on him
Moos wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t at least make that phone call.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Nov 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think he'd hang up on him, honestly.
There’s actually a huge selling point for Pullman for a guy like Meyer. He quit because he couldn’t find work/life balance, and because of the pressure of winning at Florida.
He’d have a 5 minute commute at WSU, and I’m sure it’d take 10 years of mid level bowl games before the natives started thinking about being restless around here.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Though obviously, he'll likely end up at tOSU.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
well there is that and then there is the fact that his family is all on the east coast.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I'm not saying he's a lock, or that he would give us more than a cursory
and polite thought. Just saying I don’t think he laughs and hangs up, and tells his family it was a telemarketer.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Nov 27, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
There's only one coach on this list who is a legit option
and I still don’t really think he’s an option.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever the decision
I’m so glad it’s not being made by me or by Sterk.
Feels like the decision has been made, hasn't it?
It already feels like if it’s not Leach, it’s a massive failure.
indeed
i’m just thinking it’s been about 14 hours since Withers dropped the Leach bomb on us. If it doesn’t happen, it’s going to make whoever we actually do hire look like our 2nd choice.
Ah dammit, we got Nick Saban?
I wanted Mike Leach.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
We got a reincarnated Vince Lombardi?
But….what about Leach?
Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelTheCoug
by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Would anyone be opposed to Rick Moranis?
I mean, we could run the Annexation of Puerto Rico? And he clearly has nothing better to do!
Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelTheCoug
by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions
And on his ability to be, as some say, the keymaster
Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelTheCoug
by Michael The Coug on Nov 27, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
You have the ring, and I see your Schwartz is as big as mine
Now let’s see how well you handle it.
At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt
it is settled
Rick Moranis will coach the Washington State Little Giants next season.
Does that make Mizell Spike or Icebox?
on the bright side, I’m now calling Marquess Wilson “Hot Hands”. BEST NICKNAME EVAR
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
"we don’t need to give every player in the history of ever a nickname" -Kyle Rancourt
by SoCalCoug on Nov 27, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I figured my spelling of "ever" gave away that I was joking
but nevertheless, this comment was great and made me laugh.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 27, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'll make it my next sig line
nah, the one I have makes me laugh. (with you I think)
At this point any time you post, and it’s NOT a picture of black pants, I get confused. - Kyle Rancourt
by woolybugger on Nov 27, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It is kind of weird that we beat UW to help them get rid of TW
and apparently they returned the favor. If I were them I probably would’ve thrown the game. 9-40. Only the 70s Beavs produced a worse record over a 4 yr period.
Good luck PW and I expect that you will land on your feet. Leach, there are some great assistants, such as Morton, Tormey and Levy. I hope they make your short list.
Thanks to the Huskies for making this decision so much easier. I believe PW would have been kept with a win.
If the Leach rumors prove true
That would point, to me, that an Apple Cup win would not have saved him. Moos does not seem to be one to make rash or last minute decisions, and if this goes down in the way it seems to be than I think we can safely say the decision was made sometime between OSU and Cal.

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