Ed Cunningham Calls Mike Leach The Worst Hire In College Football
by Brian Floyd on Dec 14, 2011 7:07 PM PST
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PrintI was going to let Ed Cunningham's comments on Mike Leach pass on by because they weren't worth the attention, but now that the video has kind of gone viral, we should probably discuss it. Cunningham was on College Football Live on Tuesday, "breaking down" the coaching hires this offseason. I use the term loosely: Cunningham managed to make himself sound like a fool in short order while picking out his best and worst college football hires of the year.
Here's Cunningham calling Leach the worst hire in college football. Now seems like a great time to link Bill Connelly's rankings of this offseason's coaching hires.
Transcript and more after the jump
"The worst was Washington State and Mike Leach. The wheels were coming off for Leach at Texas Tech before he was let go there. Set aside the Adam James issue, whether "he said, he said," whatever happens there. But I happen to know that he completely lost control of that program. A lot of the players wondering what was going on. He was late to meetings. He often didn't come to the office until one or two in the afternoon. So, I think Mike Leach's time as a head coach is over and I think Washington State really stretched with this hire."
The perception here will be simple: Cunningham works for ESPN, a company Leach is suing, and is shilling for the higher-ups or perhaps trying to discredit Leach. Yes, I understand Cunningham played football for the Washington Huskies -- on the 1991 National Championship team, no less -- and works for ESPN, but these are convenient, and perhaps petty, crutches to attack his arguments.
I'm going a different route: Cunningham just doesn't have a damn clue what he's talking about and is taking a contrarian view on purpose. It's well known ESPN encourages its announcers to take stances outside the box and in opposition to the masses in an effort to promote discussion -- often times heated discussion. In this case, we have Cunningham choosing Tim Beckman as the best hire, which is odd enough in itself even before the Leach noise.*
*Real quickly, let's all remember Kansas hired Charlie Weis. Think about that, let it sink in, then realize it's absolutely impossible for Leach to have been the worst hire this year.
Which is why I'm convinced that a combination of factors, including Cunningham deciding to essentially troll everybody, led to his spectacular case of idiocy. Were he to put together a well reasoned argument against Leach, I'd understand. Spouting off that he knows inside information and opining that Leach is done as a head coach, however, doesn't form the solid foundation of an argument.
Perhaps Cunningham was hopping aboard the contrarian train to be the guy screaming "I was right" on the off chance things fall apart. Or perhaps he truly believes Tim Beckman was the best hire this year and Mike Leach was the worst. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on his abilities as an analyst.
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I've never heard these accusations of Leach being late for meetings and such.
Is there any actual evidence of this or is this guy completely full of crap?
A few players who were Adam James friends and roomies...
threw this stuff out there because they weren’t getting playing time. Nothing to it.
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One player sent out a tweet moaning that Leach was late to a meeting ...
then tweeting was banned. During his last year there, it seemed to me that it wasn’t all peaches and cream. Brandon Carter was suspended for a game or two, presumably after an outburst after the emotional UH loss … despite some of the turmoil, the team still went 9-4. So, even if he lost the team … they didn’t go into the tank.
I think two years off was the best thing for him. He has lost weight, stopped drinking, and looks refreshed.
by Arizona Raider on Dec 14, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
How do you know he stopped drinking?
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 15, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know if it is a permanent thing,
but there was an SBN article that said he stopped drinking in Key West. Jim Moore also asked him what kind of beer he likes, and he said he’d pass on the beer.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
A number of articles written over the past couple of years ...
have pointed it out. I don’t have the time to look them up and provide the links right now. Sorry.
by Arizona Raider on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
No worries
That was just the first I have heard of it
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 15, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
The article was posted on another thread I thought
or maybe it was on DTN and I’m just confused. Entirely possible.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
it's ok, i've started drinking more
consider the world balanced again.
by BigWood! on Dec 15, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The other part of that story is...
That the meeting had actually been cancelled and the player did not know it.
If "the wheels were coming off" and Tech was having a 8-4 season
then I won’t be too upset if he loses a wheel or two here.
The blood of "The Five" cries for justice.
by PullManiac on Dec 14, 2011 7:21 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Wow, if we can get Leach to come in at noon, we'll go undefeated!
follow @casetines
by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 14, 2011 7:32 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Remember...
The point is not for ESPN or the James game to discuss facts or try to logically disassemble Mike Leach. They are being sued for blatant lies that have been proven to be so (what he calls “he said, he said”. It is not that at all. We have actual perjury and lies being promoted from the ESPN pulpit. There has been a very concerted and organized effort since December of 2009 (once the powers realized they had royally screwed up in backing James without evidence) to destroy Leach’s reputation. That is why you have trolls saying “I’m a big Leach fan, but he’s a drunk and a bully. But I hope he wins, because I love him.”. That is why you have a regular parade of folks who parrot the words “baggage” after every time Leach’s name is mentioned. This is not only one of the stupidest comments in sports, it is a very calculated attempt to consistently “poison the well” by leaving unproven rumors and innuendo in the minds of the public. Never forget that these people at ESPN have the same access to the emails and facts that are presented in the back of Leach’s book on what actually happened. They have access to the facts that Adam James lied about being “locked in an electrical closet” or “an equipment shed”. He admitted finally under oath that it never happened, and that he thought it was “funny”. ESPN has the facts, but they are being sued, and part of defending yourself (if you are a classless bunch of lying asshats) is that you must poison the well of public opinion.
This was a targeted comment, designed to throw the facts out the window as “he said, he said”, and trumpet rumors and slander as the new “facts”.
Leach will be trying to prove actual damage. If you can say “he was on his way out, he had already lost the team. He was derelict of his duty. He was going to be fired anyway” then you mitigate the possible proof of damage.
Scumbags at ESPN. But Leach will win.
Antiswarm!
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
by antiswarm on Dec 14, 2011 7:46 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
Well Said
The ESPN propaganda machine is still at it. I’m not sure what Craig James has on these ESPN higher ups, but they continue to try and smear Coach Leach at all costs. They are the ONLY network that is trying to do so, and they are the network that is responsible for the LIES reported about Coach Leach in the first place.
WSU fans, I am a former Texas Tech fan, and this is the battler that us “Team Leachers” have been helping to fight for the past 2 years. You will get used to it. Expect more from this sorry excuse for a network. They will continue to try and smear Coach Leach, even though all the facts show that Coach Leach is not only innocent of the accusations, but also that he is a man that upholds morals, values, and integrity. ESPN knows nothing about that.
I wouldn't have a problem with Leach being called the worst hire supported if it was supported by facts.
When discussing Beckam, he points to records and recruiting, then with Leach he only brings up hearsay and conjecture. At least have some evidence to support a conclusion or as we say here, bring something useful to the table.
by sdcoug09 on Dec 14, 2011 7:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
To bounce off this
If you believe he lost the program, go ahead and call it a mediocre hire. But to label WSU getting a guy with 10 strait bowl seasons the WORST hire this year? Impressive.
by spencer peaty on Dec 14, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
That's a rec
Side note… I feel like the dawg pound is not down with the ample recs, images, and gifs. Thoughts on why?
by spencer peaty on Dec 15, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
silly Ed Cunningham
pirate ships don’t have wheels.
by newportcoug on Dec 14, 2011 8:23 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
The worst problem a pirate can have is psittacosis
it’s a bacterial disease that Pirates contract if they don’t properly clean the parrot poop off the deck. I just found that out today when I was trying to look at some of the downside of Leach.
The blood of "The Five" cries for justice.
There is always that
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Dec 15, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I have but one rallying cry
Ed Cunningham to replace Craig James after he gets elected to congress!!!
Am I the only one wondering
how the hell this guy was a D-1 and NFL lineman? Look how scrawny he is.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 14, 2011 8:42 PM PST reply actions
Synthetic Muscle
1. Nandrlone Deconate
2. Methy-testosterone
3. anavar
4. dianobol
No drug testing, during the 80’s…
by SeymourOak on Dec 14, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The Best
I doubt UW was on the cutting edge so you wouldn’t have found
1. stianzol
2. Winstrol
Just National Champion & World Class athletes had access to that stuff, in those days.
by SeymourOak on Dec 14, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's called a diet.
He was smart and knew that being overweight for the rest of his life wouldn’t do him any good. That being said, he is way off when it comes to Leach. Still can’t figure out how you guys got Leach.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Moos' magic
That is why Oregon is where it is now.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 14, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Moos is THE MAN.
But that has very little to do with where Oregon is right now. Phil Knights money + buying recruits from Texas = Oregon winning games.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
If you discount Bill Moos' impact in elevating Oregon,
you are seriously underestimating the timelines of how solid programs are assembled. Oregon, the powerhouse school, was not created overnight. Bill Moos played a large role in developing the Nike/Ducks relationship and helping to sell Oregon football (and their athletics in general) as a brand name.
Thizz or die.
by mjkleko on Dec 14, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Name the players Oregon bought from Texas that have helped it win games.
Yes, you should follow another Coug-related account on Twitter: @425CougFan
LaMichael James and Darron Thomas?
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 15, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
BOOM!
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Dec 15, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing has been proven
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 15, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Allegedly
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 15, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and stop this right here, right now.
If you want to have a rational discussion, great. We’ll talk about how Moos built Oregon. If you want to be a troll and say things like “Oregon bought recruits from Texas with Nike money” then you’ll be shown the door.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:18 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Are you a Cougar fan or a Duck fan?
Is there any question that Oregon has bought players? I could point you to numerous articles and one Willie Lyles to support my point.
Is there any question that Phil Knight’s (Mr. Nike) money has been the life blood of the Oregon program? Put two and two together and you get four. Oregon is where it is because of Phil Knights generosity and because Chip Kelly broke rules and paid a street agent.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
He isn't an Oregon fan, but I am. Oregon is where it is because of the work of Bill Moos and Mike Bellotti.
You’re right that Phil Knight has put in a lot of money to help build football and athletic facilities that help in recruiting, but he is not the only alumni in the country that does this. Do you think that Oklahoma State would be where it is without the help of T. Boone Pickens? Phil Knight also donates a lot of money to his other alma mater, Stanford, and he provides a lot of funding for academic facilities here on campus.
However, If you choose to believe everything that is said about the Will Lyles situation, then you should know that the only player that was “paid” for, Lache Seastrunk, is now a running back at Baylor. However, if you chose to read his side of the story, Will Lyles wasn’t actually someone who was involved in the process at all. In fact, as soon as Lache got here he was feeling homesick because he left his grandmother behind. LaMichael James almost left the program due to homesickness and so did De’Anthony Thomas. I would suggest that before you say that Oregon is where it’s at is because of “Will Lyles” you take a good look at the work that Rich Brooks, Mike Bellotti and Bill Moos did before you make outlandish statements.
Cougcenter mods, I apologize for hijacking this subthread and posting this longwinded reply. I really enjoy reading the site as I have been a Coug fan since the Ryan Leaf and the Fab Five era, but I’m a Duck fan first! Congratulations on your excellent hire in Mike Leach and I look forward to another Golden Age of Cougar Football.
by FromAutzenWithLove on Dec 15, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
There is a massive gap between
“Oregon paid a guy who may have paid players” to “Oregon buys all their players and that is the only reason they win”.
I wish people could discern hyperbole from reality a little better.
by spencer peaty on Dec 15, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I wish people wouldn't read things into what I say . . .
Did I say Oregon buys all their players and it’s the only reason they win?
All I said was that Phil Knights money and buying a few recruits from Texas (I highly doubt ALL their recruits are from Texas), is more responsible for their success than Bill Moos. Look at it this way, no money from Phil Knight, no Bill Moos as Athletic Director.
My original point without ANYTHING extra being added to it:
The reason Oregon went from a nobody to a somebody: Phil Knights checkbook
The reason Oregon went from a good team to an elite team: Recruits from Texas that were recruited by a street agent.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Your first part of your point is correct.
Phil Knight did help with construction of Athletic and Academic facilities here at UO. But you obviously did not read my comment from above, or read the majority of articles on the subject, or know anything about the Ducks roster. Lache Seastrunk, who as I said above is at Baylor not Oregon, is the only player connected with the Will Lyles “scandal”. Most of Oregon’s players who made this program elite aren’t even from Texas. Jeff Maehl? Californian. John Boyett? Californian. Cliff Harris? Californian. David Paulson? Washingtonian. To say that the only way Oregon became elite is a gross negligence of the coaching staff that has been here since Rich Brooks and the work they did from the mid-00s installing Chip’s system both in the weight room and the practice field.
Again, sorry Cougcenter, not my place, but I think you understand why I had to make it.
by FromAutzenWithLove on Dec 16, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The only reason Washington ever won
is because all those doctor and lawyer alums donated money to build nice things.
In your view, that is ok but what Phil Knight and Oregon do is not:?
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 16, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, ok.
“But that has very little to do with where Oregon is right now. Phil Knights money + buying recruits from Texas = Oregon winning games.”
You said it there. As has been pointed out on more than one occasion, Seastrunk was the only guy in question. He is not on the team. Phil Knight’s money is a huge reason Oregon is prominent. I don’t think anyone is debating this. But you didn’t say Phil Knight’s money is one of the big reasons, you basically said it was the only reason. That is just false. You completely discredit Bill Moos and what he did building that program from laughing stock to national power. He laid the ground work, along with guys like Rich Brooks and Mike Belotti.
“My original point without ANYTHING extra being added to it:
The reason Oregon went from a nobody to a somebody: Phil Knights checkbook
The reason Oregon went from a good team to an elite team: Recruits from Texas that were recruited by a street agent.”
But these situations don’t exist in a vacuum. You can say things like “without anything being added”, but what the hell does that bring to the table? That’s like me saying, “Without ADDING ANYTHING TO THIS STATEMENT, Joey Harrington was the only reason people in NYC knew about Oregon.” You see how ridiculous it is? Of course Nike money helps. But it’s so obvious that it doesn’t even need to be mentioned. That’s like saying “We’re good because we win games”.
Also, the second part, about the street agent? Again, you’re wrong. You have shown a tendency to ignore the rules here, and it’s tiring. You’ve been show the inaccuracies in your argument, yet continue to hammer away. Bring something more to the table, or be gone. Repeating the same thing over and over when we debunk what you’re saying doesn’t make it true.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 16, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
"Seastrunk was the only guy in question"
Wow. Do you honetly believe that? Even your very own Nusser listed Darron Thomas and LMJ. I know you guys are in love with Bill Moos, and for very good reason. I don’t understand the blind love for Oregon.
The NCAA will settle this debate for us when they crucify Oregon for the MANY recruits that Willie Lyles steered their direction.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Nusser was being facetious.
I don’t blindly love Oregon. I DO blindly love rational, intelligent discourse, though.
Coming on here stating accusations as fact won’t get you very far.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 16, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry dude
But former NFL o-linemen don’t end up looking like cross country runners because of diet.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 15, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are discounting the change in what an NFL lineman looks like over the past 30 years.
Back in the day most lineman were under 300 pounds.
by UW11Bowdown on Dec 15, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Cunningham was bigger back then. He has gotten really skinny.
I was just showing OL can lose a lot of weight. Yes Cunningham has lot more than Schlereth.
CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008
I thought the CNNSI photo stamp was a neck tattoo at first.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
My wife likes Jesse Palmer.
I’m not sure how to feel about it.
Screw you, Chip Kelly! 'Win the Day' was ours first!
by displacedcoug on Dec 15, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
more like Ed SUCKINGHAM
god it feels good to be 10 again lol
@korbm13
by korb M coug on Dec 14, 2011 8:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
.......And that is why he is not a coach.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 14, 2011 8:58 PM PST reply actions
I wasn't aware Ed Cunningham was trying to become a coach.
Also, he’s completely wrong, but he doesn’t need to be a coach to be “right” in this situation.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:21 AM PST up reply actions
I believe this goes here.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I've thus far failed at posting links so I won't even bother with a picture...
But, all I think about seeing this “analysis” is Steve Carrell as Brick Tamland screaming “LOUD NOISES!!!!!” in Anchorman…
by klokkins on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Pictures are so much easier though
just click the little box with a picture of a tree, insert the link to the picture, and boom. internet meme glory.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:22 AM PST up reply actions
Links are simple as well (of course it didn't seem simple on my first few attempts)-here's how I do it.
1)Have awesome webpage open and want to share it with you guys.
2)Highlight, then right click, copy the page URL.
3)Run 100 mph over to the CougCenter thread I want to post my link in.
4)Type something really interesting in the subject line, jump down to main body of the posting box.
5)Type text for link like, Craig James runs for Senative, highlight text then click the link symbol above (2nd symbol from right) .
6)A pop out link box appears-right click paste my link into the URL box.
LAST TWO STEPS MOST IMPORTANT!
7)Click(checkmark) the little box below the URL window that says, OPEN LINK IN NEW WINDOW, then hit the submit button. If you don’t do this, clicking on your posted link whisks you away from the CougCenter thread and you have to scroll through comments to get back here-very annoying.
8)THE PREVIEW BUTTON IS YOUR FRIEND, use it. I test run every link/picture I post before actually posting it. On other sights, there are picture size limits so I use it to make sure my picture is small enough. And with links, I’ll click my own link to make sure it goes to the page I wanted. After all that, I hit POST and end up with this:
Craig James runs for Senative
It sounds like a lot but it seriously takes about 1 minute after you do it enough times.
by wazzu93 on Dec 15, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Hmm...
I thought I was reaching…
by WSU_Mike Reach on Dec 14, 2011 9:04 PM PST reply actions 14 recs
Is it racist to think of you as Asian Mike Leach?
Screw you, Chip Kelly! 'Win the Day' was ours first!
by displacedcoug on Dec 14, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 20 recs
Rec'ing is not enough
This might be a top 5 comment of all time.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 15, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
As a token Asian
I’ll allow it.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
We have another token Asian?
I'm a glass half full kind of guy. My glass just happens to be half full of bourbon. And sitting next to several empty glasses.
Half here, but yeah.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, me too.
or am I just talking to my own dupe?
I'm a glass half full kind of guy. My glass just happens to be half full of bourbon. And sitting next to several empty glasses.
20 recs.
That might be a record.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Or should I say "rec"ord
I’ll show myself out.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Not even close.
The “Mike Leach called me on my roommates phone” comment was in the mid 40s last I checked.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Oh that's right.
Forgot about that one.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
Cunningham played on a co-championship team
And then their coach Don James quit when he got busted for cheating with that co-championship team. Fact.
Never trust a James
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
Jim Mora is the worst hire
He hasn’t coached in college for 25 years and he was a lowly assistant at that time. A pro coach has no clue about recruiting and dealing with fat little girlfriends.
Mora is a football guy
but I agree he was wrong for the job for all the reasons you said. Given what we have seen from him in the past, I don’t think he will do well working with the college age group.
The blood of "The Five" cries for justice.
I think people could be in for a little surprise,
I always thought Mora as the pro head coach was not fit for the job. Soft is a cliche term to throw around, but I never was sold on him controlling a team of grown men.
Maybe college players will be more receptive to his enthusiasm and style of coaching.
Thizz or die.
I have a feeling he will turn out to be a surprisingly good hire.
Just a feeling. Perhaps it’s the “Ed Cunningham” contrarian in me.
Yes, you should follow another Coug-related account on Twitter: @425CougFan
Mora is putting together one helluva staff though.
No matter how you slice it, Jim Mora is a better coach than Charlie Weis. UCLA is a better program to be at than Kansas (for recruiting purposes, anyway). I laughed a ton when I heard the news of the hire, but thinking it over more, he might be alright. He’s sort of got that Pete Carroll quality of honesty, and I think he’ll mop up recruiting Southern California.
Again, not saying this is definitely a win for UCLA or anything, but I think Weis is the clear cut worst hire
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:26 AM PST up reply actions
This made me laugh
Pete Carroll quality of honesty
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Dec 15, 2011 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
"Pete Carroll quality of honesty" is like
saying Senator Craig James has a nice ring to it.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
by blackbeard on Dec 15, 2011 5:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant in terms of telling it like it is.
I can see how poorly it looks though, in retrospect.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Let me slice it this way. Charlie Weis's forte is offense
and having followed Notre Dame as a fan for many years the guy can coach offense. His Notre Dame teams could score, his Patriot offenses could score, heck he even took the Chiefs from the 25th best offense in the NFL to the 12th. I think it’s also safe to say he can develop quarterbacks; Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Matt Cassel, and of course the crown jewel sixth round pick Tom Brady. If he brings in the right defensive staff he will have success. Mora’s supposed strength is defense particularly secondary however, in his four years as a NFL HC and one year as the Seahawk secondary coach his teams ranked 14, 22, 29, 30, 32 in terms of yards per game allowed. If you compare resumes blindly it isn’t even close who the better coach is.
BCS Coaching Experience: Weis
Successful track record: Weis
Player Development: Weis
There is a reason Jim Mora spent the last two seasons in the booth and Charlie Weis was on the sideline in the NFL and in Gainesville. Another advantage Weis has is the fans in Lawrence don’t have crazy expectations and aren’t out for blood on the AD that just hired him, like the situation in Westwood.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Someone should tell Florida about that forte.
by Brian Floyd on Dec 15, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah let's take like a decade of numbers and throw them out because John Brantley
can’t pass his way out of a wet paper bag.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Ok.
This is pretty fair. However, I’ll ask you this:
Regardless of school situation, you can only have one coach. Weis or Mora. Who do you pick? I still pick Mora, but I freely admit I don’t know as much about Weis as I should. Perhaps my “No matter how you slice it, Jim Mora is a better coach than Charlie Weis” comment was uncalled for. I move for it to be stricken from the record.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 16, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
I'd take Weis. I don't want either as my first or second choice.
I view both as failures at previous stops. It’s just the definition of failure in the NFL is one winning season in 4 years, and at Notre Dame failure is a 2;1 BCS berth to losing season ratio in 5 years.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
That's fair.
I’d take Mora just because I think he has a brighter future, but I agree that neither are my first or second choice.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 16, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
He has done a good job assembling his staff right now
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Dec 15, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
It's a load of crap.
Everyone in the Pac-12 is envious of you guys. Wanna trade?
I think WSU football next year is going to be a lot of fun. Except when you play us I’m rooting for you guys.
by BrendonBruin on Dec 14, 2011 9:44 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
How about most of your TV cut and we will think about it.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 14, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure about this statement....
Everyone in the Pac-12 is envious of you guys.
we may have a possible hyperbole infraction here.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Will Bruin Nation ban you for a comment like this on CougCenter?
CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008
by SoCalCoug on Dec 15, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Did someone say "Bruin Nation"...?
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
No. Almost everyone at BN thinks Leach is a great coach and that you guys are very lucky to have an AD who was smart enough to hire him.
We all read Swing Your Sword and knew Leach was something special.
by BrendonBruin on Dec 15, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
It was a joke
to point out that the mods at BN are a bit ban-happy. And by a bit, I mean a LOT.
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
They are on the ban wagon.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 15, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They ban together and wear ray bans and cover newbies with banages
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
Of course they will.
What surprises me is that I got a warning for poking a little fun of the Ducks on a Cougar blog. Very confusing.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
They have rules to respect all college programs.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 15, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
If you have a problem with why you were warned
you can e-mail myself or any of the other mods for clarification. And being a troll isn’t “poking a little fun of the Ducks on a Cougar blog.”
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry to highjack the thread
But am I to understand that it’s okay to insult Bruin Nation, but not the Ducks?
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Apples & oranges.
Scenario 1: “A site that frivolously bans people sure is frivolous with their bannings.”
Scenario 2: “A school who is now nationally prominent, but once wasn’t, is cheating by breaking rules and bribing a bunch of players to come to a school. Also, only one donor is responsible for the turn around. Him and him alone. Not anyone else. Also, you are dumb for disagreeing.”
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
You can read all of that from:
But that has very little to do with where Oregon is right now. Phil Knights money + buying recruits from Texas = Oregon winning games
I gave my opinion, which is a somewhat popular opinion throughout the conference. Phil Knights money has GREATLY improved Oregon’s facilities and ability to compete. It is also quite obvious that they have broken rules and have cheated. Even the NCAA is investigating the matter.
Also, can you please show me where I called out anybody for disagreeing with me, or where I called anyone dumb?
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Your statement
implies that Phil knight and cheating are the only two reasons for Oregon’s success. Aside from my disdain for oversimplifying complex issues, this is simply incorrect. We WSU fans obviously believe Moos played a big role in the evolution of Oregon football, as did numerous other factors. Further, do you really think “buying” a couple recruits from Texas gets you 3 strait BCS bowls? This such an easy way to undermine all the success a program has.
And you better believe I would say the same thing to an Oregon fan about UW if the situation was reversed.
by spencer peaty on Dec 15, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Your general dismissive tone is where I was getting the last part.
I was being facetious, though. I’m going to quote Spencer from an above comment, because it bears repeating:
There is a massive gap between "Oregon paid a guy who may have paid players" to "Oregon buys all their players and that is the only reason they win".
I wish people could discern hyperbole from reality a little better.
I also think your “my opinion is somewhat popular throughout the conference” statement was funny. You mean a bunch of people from rival schools hear negative things about a school they generally don’t like and jump to the same uninformed conclusions that you did? No way!
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Further
go back up top and read FromAutzenWithLove’s comment. He does a tremendous job at laying out why making simple statements like “Oregon cheats by paying players” is a fallacy.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the shameless plug!
We’re all about shameless plugs over at ATQ!
by FromAutzenWithLove on Dec 16, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Shameless plugs? I don't know what you're talking about.
KyleRancourt.com
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by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Come to Addictedtoquack.com!
We have a new outdoor patio, chips and soda!
by FromAutzenWithLove on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Do you have Juanitas chips?
Because they are delicious and if you have them I’m RSVPing right now.
by Mark Sandritter on Dec 16, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
Just curious...
but were you vehemently defending the UW football program back when they were slapped with penalties under Don James?
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
MR.Cunningham......simply
STFU.Your the only tool saying this.
From a Husky fan . . .
I have no clue what Ed Cunningham is smoking. I’ve always been a fan of his, but he couldn’t be more off base. I wanted UW to hire Leach 3 years ago, I think WSU just went from a pretender to a contender. All I can figure is that Cunningham is trying to get a pay raise by pandering to his bosses.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
I think he may have just been tking a contrarian approach to thing
If Leach were to bomb here, then he would look good to everybody because he was the one who called it. There are ways that Mike Leach can fail and there are ways that things can go wrong, but I really cannot see it being an issue of work ethic like Cunningham implied.
The blood of "The Five" cries for justice.
Cunningham is a tool
He’s working for ESPN, who’s in the business of smearing Mike Leach ever since he disciplined Adam “Nancy” James for disruptive behavior (such as breaking the door to leach’s office). Craig James—well, there’s a reason that Leach is suing him and should eventually win. Cunningham’s charges are the usual Spaeth Communications BS that we Tech fans have gotten used to hearing since the Captain was let go in 2009. Wazzu fans, we’ve heard all this crap before and Leach is a good guy. You’re damned lucky to have him (wins games AND graduates players) and you can with a clear conscience tell the James’ and Cunninghams of the world to STFU.
As far as Texas Tech’s program falling apart, it started doing so after Leach was fired. His successor, Tommy Tuberville, has done a good job of destroying what was a top 20 program that went to bowls for 10 straight years. What Leach built up has now been destroyed.
Hey this is for all the Tech fans.
I appreciate you guys coming here, because you’ve given us great insight and everything, but could we please refrain from negative nicknames like “Nancy”, “eATMe”, “Bonghorns”, etc? It just doesn’t really need to be said. Not that it’s super offensive (although I could get into the implications of attempting to devalue a person by referring to him as a female, but we’ll save that for another day), it’s just sort of the type of stuff we like to avoid. There are a ton of Cougs who use the term “fuskies” when talking about the Huskies, and we discourage that, too. So it’s not just you guys.
No harm, no foul, though. Just a request moving forward. Thanks.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:33 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Kyle, I don't wish to be combative, but
what exactly would you call a spoiled liar, who dresses like Oliva Newton-John in her “Let’s get physical” video, that got your favorite coach fired and destroyed your football program?
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
by blackbeard on Dec 15, 2011 4:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would call them
someone not worth worrying about.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 15, 2011 7:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Got it that's it's y'all's blogs & we need to respect the rules
But please don’t say he’s “someone not worth worrying about” to us Tech folks. Y’all would more than likely not have Leach if James was “someone not worth worrying about”.
Our program is in the worse shape in the HISTORY of Texas Tech. So while I will respect your rules not to call him names, I will also ask that you respect our deep-seeded loathing and disrespect of the “someone not worth worrying about” who brought our coach and our football program down. Because of his lies many assistant coaches were suddenly out of jobs and the fan/alumni base remains divided to this day.
None of this is about football to us – it is about integrity. The fact that all of this occurred because of his lies, his father’s PR efforts and his unfettered access to ESPN to spread these lies (all documented in the depositions) is very serious business to us.
If you want to ban me, then do so. Or, if Tech fans aren’t welcome anymore, then please say so. But speaking for myself & I would guess a few others. We like being here and we are SO excited for y’all. I hope we can merge into a happy family like the Brady Bunch!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
by Austin, Tx on Dec 15, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But B-Lot is right.
You shouldn’t be worrying about it, especially on CougCenter. Look, everyone hates Craig James, and by association, Adam James. We get it. Tech fans are pissed. But that was two years ago, guys. Gotta move on at some point. If you want to continue to spew hateful things about Adam James, great. Have at it. Just don’t do it here. Get a twitter, get a blog, do it over at Double T Nation. Just don’t do it here.
Asking us to respect your deep seeded loathing in response to us asking you to follow the community guidelines is silly.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
FYI
You just uttered the two words no one EVER says to Tech fans – they start arguments the likes of which you’ve never seen – I’m not kidding. Even when Tech fans say it to each other.
The words are: MOVE ON. Or any phrase with the same meaning in reference to Leach’s termination, including Adam & Craig James.
I’m sure you didn’t know so just an FYI.
With that, I will show myself to the door and look forward to chatting with y’all come football season! Good luck!!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
I think we all enjoy having Tech fans here, but are more or less tired of hearing about Craig and Adam James
we get it. you don’t like them. we’re not particularly fond of them either. But that isn’t our fight. and when every topic on here devolves to new Craig James insults, it gets a little old.
by BigWood! on Dec 15, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Pretty much this exactly.
Also, I’m not sure how to say this without sounding rude, so forgive me, but I do not care about Tuberville in the slightest. This is supposed to be a Cougar site. but it does get a bit exhausting when the downfall of Texas Tech keeps getting brought up. Double T Nation exists for a reason.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Tech fan tired of hearing abut Craig and Adam James on the DTN site
but it won’t stop…someone help me make it stop…please. PLEEEAAASEE!!!
You’re right though, the old news is a Tech problem, not a WSU problem and it turns the focus from y’all back to us. And at this point, it’s not about Tech with Leach anymore. He’s your coach, not ours. His issues at Tech with James Gang and Admin are ours, not yours.
Was wondering when someone here was going to get tired of the Tech stuff continually popping up. I lurk…I apologize…it’s rude. : )
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
by Tech92 on Dec 15, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How about a fanpost to end all the James talk.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it's over
Once he disses his mistress in a public forum there isn’t any jewelry that will get him back in my good graces.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Your last sentence makes it sound as if you aren't coming back for eight months. Why?
There’s going to be so much stuff posted on Mike Leach, his defensive hires, recruits, interviews, spring ball, etc. between now and the start of the season, I’d think you’d be interested in discussing it. I just don’t think you should be overly sensitive to Kyle’s original request, which was simply to not use one specific, derogatory word.
Personal example; I frequent a NW baseball blog; you can swear like a trucker, but better use proper English and punctuation while doing it-their rules. I come here and have to curb my swearing down to almost nil (hard sometimes), but it’s a no brainer because I love Jeff and the other guys’ writing and respect Jeff’s no profanity rules. Easy peasy to switch up my comment style because I love being a part of BOTH COMMUNITIES.
So don’t stay away because of something so small as a word restriction, because it is such a small thing.
by wazzu93 on Dec 15, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You have no idea how hard it is for me to not curse.
I slip up a lot.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks but it's not about a word restriction...see below
But I love the cougars!!! I’m going to lunch with a fellow Tech alum today and I’m going to wear my new blinged out burnout crimson hoodie!!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Yes it is. It's about a request to follow simple site rules.
I’m done discussing it. You’re welcome here, post here if you like , or not.
by wazzu93 on Dec 16, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You all are right
about us not bringing our business over here. This blog is about WSU. It’s not about Texas Tech. My sincere apologies for my contribution to that, I really mean that.
The only reason I spelled out all of the above is to explain the background so it might be easier to understand that the nickname is shorthand for many of us to express the anger we still have.
But to tell tell me I’ve “gotta move on at some point” about something I feel deeply about is not appropriate.
My point was please respect my position whether you agree with it, understand it or not – don’t tell me it’s not worth worrying about. Clearly I did not articulate my point very well.
Seems like the better response would have been about the Tech, Tuberville, etc. talk getting old because this is a WSU blog. We were getting carried away & that was inappropriate. It’s good that the issue was addressed.
Kyle – calling my request “silly”? How is that helpful? Do you think that will elicit a positive response? I’m sure we all think others posts aren’t always brilliant, fair or reasonable but we don’t feel the need to call them out in a dismissive manner.
I was trying to exit gracefully with my last post. Fail. Now I’m just exiting.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
You're still making too much of this.
Nobody wants you to exit. Kyle asked you to “move on” here, at this blog only. He’s not asking you to do anything anywhere about the subject except here.
The only thing he called silly was your response to his request, he’s not calling your feelings on the subject silly.
THIS SHOULDN’T BE THIS DIFFICULT. And I think you missed my post above, from 6:05pm.
by wazzu93 on Dec 15, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I apologize that you're taking offense to this.
But as wazzu93 has so eloquently stated, you’re still missing the point. I wasn’t saying you personally need to move on from this and let it go. I was more focusing on “move on, because I don’t really care about hearing ‘Adam James is an asshole’ on CougCenter any more.” It’s not inappropriate for me to tell you to move on. If I went to DTN and said that, you’d be correct, and I would have been out of line.
Your request IS silly, though. Also, me saying “silly” is me being nice. I’m not trying to start anything, so I tried to refrain from any harsher words. It’s silly because you’re comparing something fairly non-negotiable, like our Community Guidelines, to how you feel about a situation that doesn’t really involve CougCenter in any way. You see how they aren’t mutually exclusive? I get that Leach isn’t the coach at WSU without what happened at Tech, but we don’t need to constantly talk about The James Gang. Telling you it’s silly to compare the two requests is definitely appropriate.
No one is asking you to leave. The opposite is true, actually. Stay. I enjoy fans from any school, from any walk of life. As long as the Community Guidelines are met, I don’t care who you are, you’re welcome here. We’re not exclusive. Hell, they made me an author. Obviously the standards of this blog aren’t super high. I just think you need to take a deep breath and relax. No one is calling you stupid or telling you to leave. You’re taking this as a personal attack. It isn’t.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kyle is just saying
Cougcenter will miss you. We need more commentators.
If My Life Is Great, Why Am I Not Happy?
by well you win some and lose others on Dec 16, 2011 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
I do appreciate that & know I haven't been banned or asked to leave
I’m choosing to back off on my own for a little while out of frustration. I come to places like this to get excited about football & hopefully to laugh. A lot. Been missing the laughs.
Kyle – SILLY – not okay with me. May fit your standards of okay doesn’t fit mine. It is an issue of respect. Believe me, I refrained from harsher comments myself thanks to another tech person who also posts on this board but will remain nameless.
I agree this whole James thing should not be brought here by TTU folks. However, please keep in mind you have had two front page posts about Craig James in the last few days. Consistent with your points above, Kyle? No. But I will not call it silly. Or anything else dismissive.
Honestly Kyle, it’s seems to me like you’re a hall monitor on speed. Not a lot of fun. Could be because I don’t know you at all but it makes me wary to post because I don’t know if I’m going to be told I’m wrong, that you don’t understand a post (poor grammar, poor job with context, whatever…) because it wasn’t posted in reply to the correct comment, that after you want links (not a problem) & they’re provided I’m told you have “proven me wrong” when perhaps we interpret information differently.
I’ve been following Tech football since 1984. That is when I started at Tech. So to be told I’m wrong – end of story – about things specifically dealing with Tech football is not going to be well received. Then finally when asking for some understanding on sensitivities Tech folks have I’m told my request is silly. Yep, not fun. Frustrating. Sorry to say all this in a comment but you seem like a guy who can take it straight.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Have you ever hung out with a hall monitor on speed?
They are tons of fun!
In all seriousness I too get the feeling that Kyle is a hall monitor on speed at times.
Hall monitor on Surge > Hall monitor on speed
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
One final thought on the James thing
Yes, we put a bunch of stories about it on the front page. But I think it’s important to note that our perspective is, “Hey, lookie there — our awesome new coach said some snarky things about an ESPN personality we all loathe!”
However, your perspective is, “Hey lookie there — our former coach whom we still love is letting the guy who brought our program down have it!” They are differing perspectives, and I think all we’re saying is that yes, we get it, you are still mad. Heck, I’m still mad at Tony Bennett for how he left. I understand. But continuing to express how much you hate Craig James and his son for what he did to your program (not ours) is what’s wearing thin.
Does that make sense?
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure where to start.
I think this debate is pointless, and it’s pretty tiring. If you can’t differentiate between me calling your comparison of two different things silly, and me calling how you feel silly, I don’t know what to tell you.
Calling me a hall monitor on speed is great. I freely admit that I enforce the rules around here. I love this place, and hate when it starts to crumble into something it’s not. However, are you really complaining that we’re too hard on you because we ask you to use proper grammar and spelling? Using the reply button? Providing sources when you cite something? That’s really asking too much?
I’m sorry if you think we have too many rules. I didn’t make them. But if you’re not going to follow them, or complain about them being too harsh, no one is forcing you to comment.
When I told you you were wrong in the other thread, it wasn’t that you didn’t know anything about Tech football. That you’ve been a fan since I was born has nothing to do with the argument we were having. We were discussing a specific thing, and I showed why it was wrong. The conversation is over — and I’d like to keep it that way — but not once did I ever question your fanhood or knowledge. I’m not sure where you’re getting this stuff from.
Basically, this is all not a big deal at all. I made a simple request and you kind of freaked out. I think you just need to take a deep breath and realize that in the grand scheme of things, this doesn’t really matter. No one is saying you’re dumb or that you don’t know Tech football. Asking you to follow the community guidelines isn’t some outlandish request. In fact, you agree to do so when signing up.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 16, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not only that, but our new coach talks about James a lot...
…as you know. Personally, I would love to see him stop and move on.
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
This whole thread Reminds me of a bar argument
Where you have two people with a simple misunderstanding/ disagreement but who are drunk and are blowing simple comments way out of proportion. Time for a shot and a new conversation.
by WazzuCrew11 on Dec 16, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
As Moos replied to the ST Live Chat
Does the pending Leach lawsuits concern you at all?
“No”
It is in the past and as far as WSU is concerned only led us to landing an amazing coach!
Go Cougs!!!!!
by bandofidiots on Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ban you? You're being silly.
As Kyle said, WE LOVE HAVING YOU. You guys are funny, informative and very enthusiastic. I for one look forward to next fall’s game threads with you guys.
Kyle made a very polite, small request to not use words like Nancy in describing Adam James. That simple request just isn’t a big deal (which doesn’t take away from the big deal that is the whole TT fiasco of two years ago), I just think people can note it and move on.
by wazzu93 on Dec 15, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I've come to the conclusion that the most offensive things I can call him are:
1. Adam James. No seriously. I have started calling other people Adam James as an insult. If my son forgets to do a chore, or acts spoiled or entitled, I yell, “Adam James, get over here.” He hates that.
2. Craig James son. This is also a handy epithet. If I see someone doing something idiotic, I say, “Wow, that must be CraigJameson”.
Now, wholly enlightened, think of what it means to say… “Adam James, Craig James son”.
Double slam, bam, payowww, burnnnnnn…..
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
by antiswarm on Dec 15, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Did someone say Jameson, yes I will have a drink!
by idaho_techsan on Dec 15, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Jameson is great, but good grief it goes down too smoothly.
It’s like the old Paula Poundstone joke about the 4 serving Ben & Jerry’s pints of ice cream…where are the other 3 servings?
Call him by his name.
It’s not difficult. I don’t think asking the new members to follow the community guidelines is too much.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right
It is community guidelines. I vented a litle more than I planned to, but I’ll be cool from now on. I don’t want to be a bad guest, kinda like someone belching at another person’s Christmas dinner (or worse). You Wazzu folks are really cool and have been great to us refugees from Texas.
Besides, it’ll all be worth it when Leach unveils Air Raid 2 on Sept 1. I can’t wait to see what the Mad Scientist has cooked up when Wazzu visits BYU. Something like the X-15 evolving to the B2 bomber—man, who knows?
by djn on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wait ...
belching at a Christmas dinner is bad?
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted...
avoid saying “farting at Christmas dinner.” Heeheehee.
Think I'll just ride off into the sunset....
Welllllll….. You guys are way too worried about sensativities for me. Ordered my WSU cap (to replace the texas univ. cap that replaced the texas tech red raider cap) the day Mike was hired and I’m still seriously interested in watching some really fun Cougar football the next few years…. However… I’m going to go find me another blog that isn’t so sanctimonious about protecting the feelings of the sweet little Nancies (We still boo him at Jones AT&T Stadium, in Lubbock) and others who lied to take out the best (as in most successful coach we rude and crude West Texans ever had.
Ex-Red Raider Fan
by Ex-Red Raider Fan on Dec 17, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
At the risk of offending...I happen to agree that this site's moderators in fact do get...
…a little “sanctimonious” at times.
I think that is a fair observation.
Maybe they would even agree??
I understand that many at TT are in still in the “anger” phase of the five stages of grieving too.
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 17, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Luckily they have other TTU-focused sites where they can go through those processes of grieving.
CougCenter In Reid We Trust, Twitter!
by Craig Powers on Dec 17, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yup...I'm fine with not hearing about Craig James anymore...
…from either the headlines on this site…as well as from anyone else (including Mike Leach).
If you get my drift.
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 19, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Do you realize that your name appears under each comment?
Craig Powers
CougCenter In Reid We Trust, Twitter!
by Craig Powers on Dec 17, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kyle, I won't refer to him as Ademelia anymore out of respect for your rules.
Texas Tech was STUPID, STUPID,STUPID,STUPID,STUPID for what they did to Coach Leach. They betrayed, and lied to everyone, and Adam James was the center piece. His “concussion” was really more of a Hangover, and a result of a bar-fight. It was a complete LIE.
And I won’t refer to his dad as a Douche anymore. Scouts Honor!
You have a new Washington State fan here. I grew up in Lubbock, TX and I went to school at Tech, and I have been going to Tech games since I was too little to remember. I now live in Austin, and used to travel 400 miles to games. I was THE biggest Tech fan in history!
But now, I loathe the university so much, for the LIES they have committed. I have vowed that I will not let my kids go to school there. I will do everything in my power to keep that from happening. Mike Leach getting fired and smeared was actually a symptom of a much deeper problem: a cancer that infects the administration.
So perhaps you don’t understand where we are coming from Kyle, but let me explain it to you like this: There is not a word in my vocabulary, nor is there a word in the english dictionary, that can describe the ill feelings that many of us have for Adam James, Craig James, and ESPiN!!
So with that being said, it shouldn’t be hard to refrain from calling them names like Douche, because that doesn’t even BEGIN to paing the picture.
by Stufrogg on Dec 18, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We do understand.
And thanks for being understanding of our community guidelines. It’s just one of those things we do to try and keep a higher level of discourse, if that makes sense.
I need a place to belong.
I can’t support Tech anymore. I am supporting WSU now. I will refraing from bringing my Tech baggage over here. I am trying to move on and away from Tech, and I have nowhere else to go but here for now. Break ups are hard sometimes, I just need a shoulder to cry on. I hope you understand. But I will stick to WSU stuff on here from now on.
Ed Cunningham might be right
but if he is, I would have been thrilled to watch 10 or 20 more years of bad football at Tech like the previous 10 that Leach had produced. The name of the stadium would have been changed or Leach’s name would have been added to it.
Yes, Leach could have a break-even season the first year at WSU, but I have not the slightest doubt that it would not be the boring horror that has been visited on Texas Tech since his departure.
So, in the end, I will vote against Ed Cunningham and think that he is wrong and will revel in posting about his prognostication after the 2012 season. Other than that, I will control my desire to be profane.
"Boring horror"
That’s a good one, man. Perfectly describes sitting in Jones Stadium and watching Oklahoma State slaughter Tommy T’s helpless Texas Tech Red Raiders 66-6. Leaving at game’s end, my brother and I both yelled “We miss you, Cap’n Leach!”
If you have come looking for a shoulder to cry on about 60 pt. losses then you have come to the right place
We know you pain, brother.
The blood of "The Five" cries for justice.
Ha Ha!
Thank you! Here’s hoping you’ll get to see the Pirate take the Cougs to a bowl this year.
BTW, what’s the favorite foods for Wazzu tailgating? If I can’t make any games in person, I might start some Wazzu game watching parties down here—since we’re stuck with Tuberville at Tech for at least one more year.
djn, don't know where you are located
but I might have to travel to watch Wazzu games with Tech exiles/Leach fans.
I'm in Lubbock
But there should be some places that you’ll find a WSU game on. The Pirate’s still got a LOT of fans out here!
we are all meeting in vegas on Sept 14....for the weekend.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Vegas?
checking calendar
Just because I'm an artist doesn't mean I don't know my sports. I'll take on ANYONE in Fantasy International Ping Pong!
by Damien Franco on Dec 16, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like fun!
Probably won’t make it, as of right now. Give ‘em hell for me, though. Bring your binoculars so you can watch the Cap’n in action.
Will surely find ways to bootleg the signal so we can get the games back here in Lubbock. Imagine SOME place will host the game—we’ll see, as Pirate fans are resourceful!
I am going to Vegas for the UNLV game.
TEAM LEACH PARTY!!
So a former Washington All-american bashes the Coug's coaching choice.
With that opening sentence, he lost all credibility with me as far as the ability to judge Mike Leach fairly goes.
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
"Mike Leach Calls Ed Cunningham Tied-For Worst Hire At ESPN"
Leach, that was a bit of a stretch.
But what Ed said was a bit of a stretch.
Looks like we are at a bit of draw.
Since I may be a little biased like Ed Cunningham, Mike Leach is right and didn’t stretch as far.
Everything you know is wrong.
Ed Cunningham...
He’s following the Craig James Model. Say as much outlandish nonsense on the air as possible and get more air time. Eventually using the ESPN platform to run for political office.
Thanks Ed
keep supplying us with the whiteboard quotes..cant wait for the applecup
What does this have to do with the current UW team though?
Brian clearly states in this post that this isn’t about him being a UW guy or even an ESPN guy, it’s about him being uninformed and simply wrong. Why must we keep circling back to the fact that he went to UW?
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 15, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Leach, may have or may not have lost his team his last season at Tech.
There are videos on Youtube, that were by some accounts posted as propaganda against him, that shows his locker room speeches to that exact team later in the season. The reality of the situation, which Leach speaks to directly, is the team was complacent and running on the glory of the past year’s team 11-2 record. Leach had grown tired of the “entitlement” of the players on that team.
Managers, Teachers, Leaders of people can only lead when those following are giving their best and concerted effort to a goal. That team still finished 9-4, but had games lost that they could have won. People point to a bad call by Leach (it will happen again at Wazzu, so just be prepared & Leach will take accountability for it) in the Houston game, I did personally, that was the beginning of a slide for that team. Either way, to point to a season (a single moment in time in one’s life) where there was a lot of frustration by all parties involved, is not a fair assessment of who a man is and what he wants today.
Besides all that,
even if what he says is completely true, the man has now had 2 years off to recharge his batteries and re-find his passion, making him a mixed bag, or someone to watch, NOT the “worst hire.”
If Leach lost his passion and was losing his team and therefore was a bad hire, how do you make the case that Urban Meyer is a good hire when he’s got “health issues” and quit on the team twice, not to mention that members of his team were littering the police blotters at that time?
#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants
by TiltingRight on Dec 15, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
As we learned in Westwood, "passion" is not enough.
After reading Leach’s book I, and a lot of other Bruins, came away with the belief that he is a very intellectual football guy who really gets what coaching is about, what motivation is about and what game scheming is about.
Wazzu is very lucky.
by BrendonBruin on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Now stop it, you are being to nice.
Are you a Cougar fan who create a Bruin profile? This is not status quo for a Bruin. Is this WSU_Mike Reach?
CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008
by SoCalCoug on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true, I believe he is recharged.
Mike never wanted to do anything else the last 2 years but coach football, yet now he is of sound mind and body to give the effort it takes 100%.
/looks around my office and wishes I had the next 2 years to recharge my batteries in Key West, harumph.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 15, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Locker Room Speech
That was the best locker room speech ever! That team deserved a butt chewing like that. Those entitled brats thought they could just walk through and get 11 wins again! Brandon Carter, threw a temper tantrum after the Houston game because coach called to go for it on 4th and 1 and they didn’t get it. Well maybe if you’d have blocked somebody’s ass a little better Brandon, than perhaps the team would’ve made it.! I remember watching that game, and I was thinking: "if they can’t make 1 yard…..then they don’t deserve to win. I still to this day agree with the call.
But Brandon went out there put things out there on twitter, throwing his own Coach under the bus. And he threw a tantrum in the Houston locker room and threw a water jug down, etc… The 2009 season was filled Coach Leach having to put out fires like that from a bunch of PrimaDonnas. It was all part of a program trying to learn how to handle success. Even with Coach Leach having all those distractions: the team went 9-4, and as I recall, they beat Nebraska 31-10 in Lincoln. And they beat Oklahoma by 4 touchdowns.
And Coach Leach says, and stands behind it to this day, that his best team ever would have been 2010. But he didn’t get to coach that team. with Texas being down that year, it could have finally been the National Championship Team that we were all dreaming about.
God!!! I still get pissed!!
I will harness the anger into becoming a WSU fan!!
Also known as the Skip Bayless approach to sports journalism.
by Omerta on Dec 15, 2011 2:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Imagine...
Mike Leach being interviewed by Skip Bayless. Now THAT would be funny!
CML at CHC
Anyone know if Leach is going to be at KeyArena when the Cougs play in Seattle next week? I’ve heard from a couple people he might make an appearance.
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