Pac-12 And Big Ten 'Collaborate'; What Does It Mean For WSU?
And you thought conference expansion was dead.
Oh sure, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany will try and tell you that today's announced "collaboration" between their two conferences isn't expansion, or even a step toward it. But that's a bunch of bunk.
Scott has said from the very beginning that he feels like colleges leave billions of dollars of television revenue on the table each year because the biggest conferences fail to fully leverage their product, something they simply can't do if they're only negotiating their own conference's rights. It's akin to each division in the NFL negotiating their own TV rights. If that seems absurd to you, imagine how absurd it must seem to Scott that these conferences, who also all have the same end goal, have historically worked against each other.
So it is that Scott and Delany have taken the first step towards multiple conferences leveraging their product together. No, it's not a complete merger, or even a full partnership, but this certainly sets up for the two leagues to wring even more money out of their television partners, as well as provide excellent content for each others' fledgling networks.
Ted Miller has the relevant details here, but here's the one you'll be most interested in:
Starting in 2017, there will be a full slate of home-and-home series between the conferences. Yes, that means Ohio State will play in Pullman and Michigan will go to Corvallis. And vice versa. This isn't just about matching the big stadium teams and the smaller stadium teams.
Sounds great! But wait -- they're not going to send the Buckeyes to Pullman for no good reason, since the idea behind this was to create "high-quality content" for television (read: buzzworthy matchups). To that end, Delany said "competitive equity" will play a part in determining the matchups.
So yeah, if WSU gets real good under Mike Leach in the next half decade, maybe they'll make Michigan or Ohio State or Penn State come to Pullman. Playing them in Seattle is certainly a possibility, too, but I've got to imagine that Bill Moos would much rather bring them to Martin Stadium, especially after the upgrades are finished. But either way, it's likely going to be dependent on the quality of the team.
I don't want to make it sound like I'm sour grapes on this thing -- I'm not at all. This is great, especially since this agreement is across all sports. That means a Big Ten opponent will be coming to Pullman every other year in basketball, which is even harder to make happen than football. But you can just put me in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp when it comes to the very best football schools visiting Martin Stadium.
And yes, I know Wisconsin is coming in 2014. But we had to play a 2-for-1 to get that, starting with going to Madison back in 2007. However, if you were worried about Wisconsin eventually buying itself out of the final two games (we make one more trip there in 2015), I'd wager that this agreement actually makes it more likely that these two games come to fruition.
But after that? I'll be looking forward to an epic Indiana/WSU matchup in 2017.
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Honest question
One I should probably know the answer to… Isn’t the semicolon in the headline supposed to be inside the apostrophe? Or since it’s technically not quotation marks does the punctuation not need to be inside the apostrophe?
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I plan to spend this summer trying to teach myself copy editing.
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by Brett the 49er on Dec 28, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
But if you are writing in British English...
…punctuation not part of the quoted sentence is placed outside the quotation. I guess the placement of punctuation has been a hot topic of debate over the years in some circles!
It gets confusing because I’ve seen it both ways….but prefer it the American way (seems less awkward).
Of course the Brits do other strange things as well….
…like driving on the wrong side of the road….and using “sport” as both a singular and plural word. I don’t get the “sport” thing at all….but I don’t get the use of “home and home” either. Should I give that one a rest?? :-)
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 29, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
A Comma, in the case above, would still come outside the quotes
given that the emphasis is being put on a specific word
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Upon reflection, I think I agree with you.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 28, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
English teachers unite!
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
If you want to learn more than you ever wanted about grammar and punctuation
Take English 255 from Lynn Gordon. Perhaps the most grueling, yet rewarding class I took in Pullman … after the Evolution of Sex, of course.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
I took two classes from Professor Gordon
If that is who I think it is (10 years later it is hard to remember some prof names). Those were the hardest classes I may have taken, but also the most rewarding in gaining clear understanding of what she wanted you to know.
It's been 10 years for me too
Is it possible we sat in the same class?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Did you two just become best friends?
Karate in the garage?
by Mark Sandritter on Dec 29, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take any Big 10 team other than Northwestern or Indiana...
But, you’re right, there’s a decent chance we get one of those. Either way its great for the conference and in turn WSU. Its up to us now to become one of the better teams between now and then to get a better team in return!
Its not great for the conference though
9 game schedule plus a required Big 10 opponent every year is a disaster.
Meanwhile SEC and Big 12 teams are playing patsies and coasting to the top bowl games.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
True, but I think it also improves the prestige of both conferences.
And probably makes both the Big 10 and Pac 12 networks tons of money. I’m not sure that the SEC will be able to get away with playing such horrible schools forever, might also just be wishful thinking.
Hate to say it but I’m sure the rest of the Big 10 is saying the same thing about us and Oregon St as we are Indiana/NW…need to change that.
Improves money - yes
Improves prestige – maybe
We already have trouble filling out bowl spots, this is only going to make it harder.
And from reading Big Ten forums earlier, their fans are definitely saying the same thing about us.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 28, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Then we are all in agreement....
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by well you win some and lose others on Dec 28, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
the days of going to Big 10 schools
and getting hammered and beat up and then starting the Pac slate are bad memories for this old Coug. Check those extremely weak OOC home games in the SEC— I am for all this IF they implement a playoff for the title… then in season big games will be far more common and ‘power’ teams would gamble more on scheduling TV prize match ups.
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by hollyweirdcoug on Dec 28, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
I hope we can get playoffs.
What month will the playoffs take place?
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by well you win some and lose others on Dec 28, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
don't know where the comment about Northwestern comes from
Northwestern has had big improvements under Pat Fitzgerald; they have been a much better team than WSU over the last 5 years or so. . Indiana is a team we might actually have a chance of beating! I am ambivalent about this new arrangement with the Big10. I certainly hope we keep 9 conference games and don’t drop down to 8.
I don’t really trust Larry Scott. He said the Pac12 wouldn’t expand beyond 12, and it didn’t, but only because he couldn’t pull it off with Texas, not because he didn’t want to. I would like the Pac12 commissioner to say we will stay at 12, period, end of disccusion, and mean it.
But he can't ever truly mean it
Like just about everyone else working in/a fan of college athletics, we really have no idea what’s going to happen over the next few years. He may see the need to snap up two more teams and become the PAC-14 in the coming years but he jus doesn’t know it yet. So to come out and say “we won’t be expanding” could cause backlash later and I think he’s smarter than that. I don’t see the Big 10(12) ever joining forces with the Pac 12 as it makes absolutely no geographic sense. But if other conference continue to expand and Scott feels the need to bring in Boise State and Nevada (just examples) then he’ll do it. For as much as Scott has done for the conference, he’s certainly earned my trust.
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by Michael The Coug on Dec 28, 2011 5:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"He said the Pac12 wouldn’t expand beyond 12"
Since when? He’s always said a 16-team superconference was his preference.
PAC-12 cannot expand beyond 12
because it could not be PAC-12 anymore.
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by well you win some and lose others on Dec 28, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
thank you! btw: i'd love to have the cats play against cap'n leach and the pirate cougs.
We’ve been a fairly solid team in Evanston the past few years with great offenses, smart QBs and (questionable) defenses.
It’d be one hell of a shootout. We barely fill our 47,000 person stadium just north of Chicago. You guys had the Coug flag flying at ESPN Gameday when we played Illinois at Wrigley Field.
It’d be fun
by LincolnParkWildcat on Dec 28, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm ok with playing Northwestern or Indiana
or Purdue or Illinois. All four of those teams are better and Idaho State, UNLV, Montana State, etc …
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Two series are already set up for the 2017-2018 seasons, doubt they would change those.
Wisconsin will play Washington
Minnesota will play Oregon State
Gophers fan here.
I’m actually expecting our matchup with OSU to switch up somewhat. If “competitive equity” is a goal then I’d be surprised if the schedules were executed with true home and homes in back to back seasons. Instead, I’d think they’d go with “home-away-home-away” matchup for each school with the actual opponent changing based on “competitive needs” and scheduled 2 or 3 years out. That would give them more flexibility then a true home and home.
Look forward to seeing your team with Leach at the helm!
Not excited about 9 Pac-12 games and at least one OOC BCS game for football
All while the SEC teams are playing directional state schools (including in the middle of their 8-game conference slates, which is similar to a bye). It’s hard enough to make a bowl game for WSU as it is … it’s harder when you now are down to one or two OOC gimmes at most, you’re playing a home game in Seattle (even though I like it for selfish reasons), and so on. One can say that the team should be able to overcome these challenges, but they’re significant competitive disadvantages.
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I don't understand this angst about "making a bowl game"
Wasn’t the point of paying Mike Leach $2.25 million that we weren’t simply shooting for “making a bowl game” anymore?
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 28, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, it is more like making the bowl game, beat the huskies, and head a team, everyone dreads to play.
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by well you win some and lose others on Dec 28, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps, but maybe a team good enough to win 8-9 games with an SEC-style schedule
will only win 6-7 games and “simply make a bowl game” in the Pac-12. I assume you understand my point about competitive disadvantages. Do you think it’s unimportant?
Incidentally, and while I don’t want to get into this, your comment invites it — I think paying a head coach a slightly above-average / above median salary in the Pac-12 (it might no longer have that status after a bit more turnover) indicates a willingness to be serious about competing in the conference, and not necessarily an expectation of winning 9 or more games every year for WSU, particularly right out of the gate. Only 3 teams in the Pac-12 won more than 7 games this year. Did only the coaches of SC, Oregon, and Stanford earn their salary?
I sure hope you’re not one of those guys saying we need to win 9 games in 2012, in particular, to justify him making $2.25 million/year.
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Nope, not one of those guys
And I do get the “competitive disadvantage” angle. But look at Washington. Look at Cal. Was having seven wins crippling to them? They still played in the No. 2 and 3 bowl tie-ins. And look at Oregon and Stanford — playing LSU and Notre Dame wasn’t a killer for them, right?
I just think the effect is overblown. Besides, I also think it’s why the Scott said the big teams will play the little teams — the big teams aren’t going to WANT to play each other every year. USC playing Michigan/OSU/Penn State will be great every few years, but they’re going to want to rotate off that, too.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 28, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Washington and Cal benefited from Stanford
Do you realize that prior to Stanford getting a 2nd bid this year and last year, the Pac had only been a 2 bid league once?
If Stanford goes 10-2 either year, then those 7-5 Cal and Washington teams get knocke down a rung.
I completely disagree the effect is overblown, what do you think is a main contributor to the SEC being seen as powerful and the Pac 12 being seen as weak?
And lets not forget about teams that could have made it to bowl eligibility it the years since the 9 game league schedule began. Our own 2006 Cougars are the first ones who come to mind.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
The main contributor to the SEC being seen as powerful is that their teams are good.
Again, if you’re obsessed with either getting or not getting to 6 wins because of this, then we hired the wrong coach.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Look, if you want to blame anything for the state of the Pac-12
Blame the schools’ lame-ass fans who won’t sell out every stadium no matter who the opponent is. Want to know how LSU can get away with playing 8 home games next year? That’s why. There’s only one school in our conference that sells out no matter the opponent, so reasonable opponents need to be scheduled.
Here’s a list of all the schools in the Pac-12 who played quality major conference opponents this season: Arizona (Oklahoma State), Arizona State (Missouri, Illinois), California (Colorado – remember, this was a non-conference game), Colorado (California), Oregon (LSU), Oregon State (Wisconsin), Stanford (Notre Dame), UCLA (Texas), USC (Notre Dame), Utah (Pitt) and Washington (Nebraska). In fact, the only team in the conference that didn’t was WSU!
All you’re doing is replacing those for these. If you think those games and the nine-game conference schedule are all that’s holding the Pac-12 back from being as “good” as the SEC, then fine. You’re probably right in terms of the potential to play in a BCS Championship. But it’s not like this is some big shift from history, and there are very real reasons why the Pac-12 can’t schedule the way the SEC does.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Well said. If we could sell out 4 OOC games against Eastern, Eastern Oregon...
Northern Arizona, and San Jose St we would do the same thing. The SEC always had crazy fans, yet in the past 5-10 years with the advent of the BCS Championship game and all the money and new TV deals that come with that, they are all of a sudden National brands instead of regional. They also have a few showcase games every year such as LSU/Oregon, Bama/Penn St, Georgia/Boise and the NC game where the whole country sees them win further building their national reputation.
Start beating SEC teams and the SEC won’t be what it is today. Remember 03-04 when USC was romping over everyone? You heard about the SEC, but nowhere near what it is today. Not even close.
This isn't about WSU
This is about the Pac 12 screwing itself out of bowl slots because they are guaranteeing their teams an extra 6 losses over the course of the season.
I’m not sure how you can dispute that.
SEC teams who go 4-0 OOC and 2-6 in conference and go to a bowl game are not “good”
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not disputing that
What I’m disputing is the notion that it’s a big deal. Going to the St. Francis Bowl in Timbuktu matters only to the school that wants to go. It’s not a money-maker for the conference. From a global point of view, that’s meaningless.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree completely about the global view
It matters as far as rankings when one conference sends 9 or 10 teams to a bowl and another only 7 or 8.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
And rankings matter for .... what, exactly?
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Your argument now for college football
is that rankings don’t matter? Seriously?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
The whole sport is predicated on rankings
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Here's my perspective
Order of priorities for a team.
1. Play in BCS Championship
2. Play in BCS game
3. Play in bowl game
The ranking only matters in the first two. It matters not for the third.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
But on the conference level
Rankings matter immensely as your champion is going to be propped up higher with more ranked teams below them.
No one cares that BSU won the WAC because they rarely beat ranked opponents to get there, which is why in their undefeated seasons they were not playing for the BCSNC.
I realize it probably does not matter for an undefeated Pac12 team, but it certainly matters any year that 1 loss teams are in the mix.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Theoretically speaking, then
Would it have mattered to Oregon had they not lost to USC?
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
The Pac 12 not being viewed as "strong" hurt Oregon
And likely would have hurt them had they beaten USC.
But what hurt Oregon more was losing to LSU. They were never going to get the rematch.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
If you can't beat any B1G team AND your entire conference...
…you don’t deserve to play in the BCSNCG, plain and simple. The “easiest path available” thing is a race to the lowest common denominator, no matter how the good ol’ boys try to spin it. 2 things: 1) Scott did say the 9-game conference schedule could change (while Delaney said their 8-game schedule probably wouldn’t). 2) This puts heavy pressure on the B12 and the SEC to schedule big-boy games OOC in coming years.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 29, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
The BCS laughs at your post
over and over again.
If history has taught us one thing, it is that the BCS rewards wins more than quality of competition.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Or a conference that is tied financially to the BCS
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Playing LSU wasn't a killer for Oregon?
Really? If Oregon plays Colorado State and wins, they go 11-1. It is also highly likely that they get voted in to the national title game ahead of Alabama due to the fact that it wouldn’t be a rematch. So, yes, playing LSU was a killer for Oregon. Stanford plays Notre Dame every year, so I’m not sure how that plays into this.
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This
Though we might still have been stuck with the rematch given how late in the season Oregon lost to USC.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Given that OK State missed out by an eyelash despite losing very late
And they fact that they lost to a garbage Iowa State team, I bet Oregon gets in since their loss would have been to a very good USC team. All conjecture, though.
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But, if Oregon had beaten LSU imagine how different the Pac 12 looks?
I didn’t get to see the game myself but I was told that their freak freshman D Thomas fumbled more than once setting up the loss. Say, he doesn’t do that, Oregon loses a very close one or even wins. Pac 12 (or at least Oregon, USC, Stanford) all look very different.
Or if Oregon hadn’t blown the final drive against SC and won…
Either way for the past 5 or 6 years a team has been given a shot to beat the SEC champ in the NC game and lost, until that changes the SEC is going to rule over everyone no matter what. And sadly enough, they deserve it.
Um, yes, it would have been a rematch
At any rate, I’m not speaking as an Oregon fan. I’m speaking as a Pac-12 fan. And even with the games, the conference got two teams in the BCS. Do I really care about the rest of it?
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Reply fail...Apparently i wasnt clear enough
If Oregon had played Colorado State and NOT LSU, they would likely be in the title game.
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by SpectreFCO on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
At which time LSU would probably boat-race them
So it’s probably best that they are playing in Pasadena.
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by SpectreFCO on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I love what this means for basketball/Olympic sports
As Jeff said, it basically forces Big Ten teams to come to Pullman and there are a lot of good squads in that conference. But I think almost as important it makes for intriguing match ups in the non-revenue sports thusly increasing ratings and money takings from airing those events on the PAC-12 Networks. We may not get Michigan to Pullman in football, but this is still a good deal in my book.
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by Michael The Coug on Dec 28, 2011 5:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They will give us Michigan
If we have a stellar year. The Rose Bowl rematch would sell well and likely have really good TV ratings.
by WinOrLoseCougsBooze on Dec 28, 2011 8:29 PM PST reply actions
I don't think Michigan's memory of that matchup is as strong as ours.
They’ve played in three other Rose Bowls since 1998.
They won a national championship with that win
They definitely remember it. Though one friend of mine that’s a Michigan fan could have sworn it was the Huskies they beat in that game until I proved otherwise. So that may negate that.
They sell 109,000 tickets for FCS opponents. Kind of a moot point.
And if you let them, they’d sell out Martin Stadium twice over.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 29, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
3 by my math
But thanks for the flame
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Nebraska
Has anyone heard any more word about a home and home with Nebraska?
by IbleedCRIMSONandGRAY09 on Dec 28, 2011 8:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm equally skeptical that we'll get a "home and away" with an...
…Ohio State, Michigan, etc.
I could see an Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, or perhaps Northwestern.
Too bad, as I’d love to play a traditional power on our home field (not Seattle) and see how we fare.
I’m still baffled why Texas would go to Laramie to play Wyoming in any scenario as they did recently too.
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 28, 2011 10:29 PM PST reply actions
You won't get two-game series (see what I did there?) with anyone anymore
They’ll be one-offs. And they’ll be decided by the conferences from year to year.
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Haha...good one. That makes sense about the one-offs.
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 28, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously though...in this context it means no "home and away"...
…arrangement with another team. It just means one game with no reciprocation.
by westsidecougar1 on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
It was mentioned several times that it would likely be home-and-homes.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 29, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Nebraska went to Laramie as well.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
You should be looking forward to the 2017 IU-WSU game,
we’ll be playing them in the Rose Bowl again after the season as well. At least that’s what Harold Camping told me…..
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Everyone is worried about the Big 10 playing 8 conference games to our 9.
Don’t worry the B10 with 12 teams will have 9 conference games on their schedules but actually only play 8.
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So then we will play 10?
Is that what you are getting at?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
I believe he's making a jab at their conference name
Big 10 = 12 Teams = Makes sense to people in Ohio.
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by B-Lot on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also Big 12= 9
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by well you win some and lose others on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Next year they add West Virginia and TCU bringing it back to 11.
Not sure if there’s a twelfth coming…
They lost TAMU and Missouri
Still going to be 10 teams next year.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
You're right, my bad.
I’d like to say Texas will rue the day they destroyed that conference but I’m guessing as long as the Longhorn Network is alive and kicking they could care less…
Related question from an outsider.
How do you all feel about the 9 game Pac-12 schedule? Most B1G fans seem happy that this arrangement will allow for a good 9th game without having to get into the unbalanced conference schedule quagmire. Have feelings about that arrangement changed since the Pac expanded? I know if I was a Pac-10 fan I would probably have liked it since it gave you a true champion. But in a 12 team league is it still worth it?
I would prefer an 8 game schedule for reasons listed above
about padding the schedule, etc.
It was a compromise to get the CA schools to sign onto expansion because they wanted to play each other every year, meaning there’s an extra game required if the other northern schools will play a SoCal school every year. I don’t see it going away, unfortunately.
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by TiltingRight on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
the unbalanced part of it is probably the least worrisome thing
the guaranteed 6 extra losses for the conference is the worst.
that extra conference game is the difference between getting 8 teams into bowls and 10 teams getting into bowls. it also pretty much kills any chance a Pac12 school ever gets into the title game.
Best way to do this:
tell all 24 schools to leave the 2nd weekend of the season open.
Then the day after the BCS Title game, hold a lottery for the pairings live on ESPN.
get outta my brain
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Everyone gets a week 1 patty-cake game as a warmup.
by Blackie1829 on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That would be awesome.
I’m guessing they want to spread out the games to maximize TV exposure of the marquee pairings, but a lottery would be cool. And we could stream and thread it, even better.
by Mark Sandritter on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Just looked at January 13th Recruiting Weekend
It’s nice to see some very good recruits coming to visit Pullman with 4 star WR Gabriel Marks, and 4, 3 star players with WR Jaydon Mickens, WR Robert Lewis, OG Jake Eldrenkamp, and OLB Kache Palacio.
If WSU somehow lands Marks, Robert Lewis, and Palacio, Junes Jones will be rather upset watching Mike Leach steal key recruits which includes Khalil Pettway away from him.
This is the most excited I’ve been for a recruiting weekend in a long time. Awesome receivers are coming to WSU to play in Leach’s system. These are players who have NFL dreams. something WSU hasn’t been able to pitch to recruits in years past.

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