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WSU vs. Stanford Basketball Recap: Postgame Notes

 

Every fan has their breaking point, and I'm just about at the point where I want to stick a fork into the 2010-11 basketball season.

Not that it's really over. It isn't, of course. There are still six regular season games left plus the Pac-10 tournament. I'll follow them, root for the Cougs, and remember that WSU isn't truly out of tournament contention until they lose in the Staples Center.

Still, realistically, what are this team's chances of winning the Pac-10 tournament? This is a team that has been unable to win more than two games in a row all season in conference play. Since Christmas Day the Cougars are 6-7... and it's not like they've played a murderer's row of schools. Washington and Arizona are by far and a way the most talented schools they've gone up against, and they won one of those games and should've won the other.  Such is inconsistency.

Should we really be surprised? The preseason polls had us picked at fifth place in the Pac-10. We're 6-6 right now, which is exactly good enough for the middle of the conference. And by the Moos Standard - he wants our teams to finish consistently in the top half of the conference - we're actually on pace for what could be considered a successful season. If you were to theoretically add Utah and Colorado to the mix right now the Cougs would be solidly in the top half of the conference. The Utes and Buffs just aren't powerhouse teams right now. Last year's team was tenth in the Pac-10 when the season ended. This year's squad is in a tie for fourth. That's improvement, right?

I've tried to stay away from criticism of Ken Bone. Largely because some of the talking points out there are like the "Klay Thompson doesn't show up in big games" meme - they're based on a small sample size and there's no real evidence to back them up. Ken Bone teams do play defense, for example - despite last night's first half embarrassment, the Cougs are still 23rd nationally in effective field goal percent defense. In fact, if you want to blame anything for the Cougs demise, blame the offense - a unit that is dependent on shooting because there's really nothing else they do well at all. Okay, that's not entirely true. They are decent at limiting turnovers. But they are horrific at two of the other four factors - offensive rebounding and free throw rate. This team is just plain bad at rebounding in general. They do the most important things fairly well - shoot and defend shots. But what's the point when you're only getting one chance on offense, and your opponent is getting multiple tries? You only need to pull up tape of the Arizona game to see what happens.

I understand the anti-Bone faction out there. We've already lost what brought a lot of us pride - our style of play. When you lose games on top of that, the frustration can boil over. But just like I'm not 100% sold on our coaching staff, I'm also not going to throw them under the bus. This team is still the 221nd youngest oldest in college basketball, and of our five juniors, two are truly Bennett System players (Capers, Lodwick) and one other is in his first year of Division 1 basketball (Aden). I know, you can't make the 'youth as an excuse' argument three years in a row. But at a certain point we have to recognize it's there. But while Bennett's juniors made an unbelievable jump in performance, Bone's haven't really provided a spark, other than taking us from the cellar to the middle of the Pac. This is probably the area where I've been most frustrated with Bone. That, and Ken not campaigning openly for Klay Thompson to return next year. That's selfish as a fan, I know, but I honestly do think it benefits both of us. Klay is a borderline first round pick at the moment, and I fear this team takes a huge drop in wins without him. Hopefully the NBA just goes to lockout and we don't have to worry.

Enough rambling. On to the awards:

Player of the Game: DeAngelo Casto. At least he'll be back for 2012. 22 points on 10 of 11 shooting. 4 rebounds, a block and a steal. He was 2 for 7 from the line, but even if he was perfect, the Cougs still lose by eight.

Right Hand Man: Klay Thomspon. 16 points on 6 of 13 shooting. 7 rebounds, but 4 turnovers.

Unsung Hero: Brock Motum. I don't think he's helping our rebounding, but he wins this by default. Every one else struggled. 8 points on 3 of 3 shooting.

It was over when... Jeremy Green hit a three with 1:47 to play. Probably before then, but that was the final dagger.

Stat of the Game: WSU 3 of 18 from three-point range. Stanford was 7 of 8 in the first half.

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does anybody know why Simon didn’t log any minutes last night?

by cougs129 on Feb 11, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

As far as rebounding goes,

I can’t tell you how many rebounds hit the floor last night, and I remember learning in fifth grade that is something that you never, ever want to let happen. In the time it takes the ball to hit the floor, someone should be able to get to it.

And also,

But just like I’m not 100% sold on our coaching staff, I’m also not going to throw them under the bus. This team is still the 221nd youngest in college basketball, and of our five juniors, two are truly Bennett System players (Capers, Lodwick)

This is something that I’ve seen for a while that kind of scares me. I’m not in a position to judge, but this quote in my mind can be turned around to “he’s doing this with Bennett’s guys”. The point I’m trying to get across is that our impact guys happen to be Bennett players. Now obvious the contributions of Reggie Moore cannot be overlooked seeing as he is an enormous part of this team. But when I look at the roster and look for “real contributors” I see 6 Bennett recruits and really only 2 bone recruits (3 if you count Winston).

I guess the main point I’m trying to get across is that I take a look at the scholarship chart on this site and it makes me really worried. Three of our four best players will be gone in the next one to two years, and like you, Grady, I shudder to think of what this team is like without Klay. All in all, not my position to judge and maybe Ken has some big, elaborate, evil scheme going on behind the scenes. I realize he’s only been the coach for 2 years and it’s a tough spot coming in where he did.

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by Coug999 on Feb 11, 2011 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

I don't know if you can blame any of that on Bone

Tony left us in a bind (ie: a team full of Bennett-ballers) and we hired a coach who operates a completely different system. the reason most of the “impact” players are Bennett’s guys is because Bone’s only been able to bring in 3-4 guys of his own.

I’m looking forward to seeing the 5-6 man recruiting class Bone puts together next year after all the Bennett guys graduate.

by BigWood! on Feb 11, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, it's a tough spot.

But I feel like maybe the transition from Bennett players to Bone players could have been handled better. You can’t take a team of defenders and expect to turn them into scorers as he kind of did last year, where we went from all D and little O to little D and all O. That’s why I haven’t been critical of him this year, since he seems to be working more with what he has.

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by Coug999 on Feb 11, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

The roster Bone inherited was HIGHLY unusual.

You just don’t see a new coach come in strapped with practically all his scholarships eaten up like this. And if he does, he usually runs off a fair number of them so he can sign his own guys. Bone didn’t do that.

Like BigWood, I’m excited for the future. This takes time.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 11, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I am excited to see

Bone get all his kind of guys in his system. For this to be fully complete and for his recruiting classes to get evened out again, I am looking at 3 to 4 years from now. Bone is a good coach and so is Hiro.

"Yaka Fest from outside for Klay Thompson" – Marques Johnson

by SoCalCoug on Feb 11, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Tough to blame Bone

I have a hard time blaming Bone for performances like this, granted I am no expert on the subject. I feel he is utilizing our resources the best he can. We don’t have a real good offensive post presence, although Casto has made some huge strides recently. We are a team that has to shoot well outside to win games. When we shoot 3-18 beyond the arc like we did last night we just aren’t going to win many games. Although I do feel some times we get to complacent with shooting threes. If it isn’t a open look we need to get to the rim more. This team is real tough to figure out. They could get hot in the staples center and win that tournament and I don’t think it would surprise people. They also could finish conference play 2-4 and be one and done in the Staples center and I don’t think people would be surprised.

by cougs129 on Feb 11, 2011 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

You can tell Bone is throughly confused by this team.

He has tried everything. Like many of us have said on here. PLAYERS MAKE PLAYS. How can a coach make a team shoot better than 3-18 from beyond the arc. Do they need to be more open? Does he need to work on technique? I am sure he has told them if the 3’s aren’t dropping drive to the basket. There is not much you can do if a player can’t make a basket. Various people worked with Shaq on his FT shooting and he still sucked. What can you do about inconsistency? Hopefully that goes away with experience, but who really knows? You know what separates a talented player and a player with potential? Consistency. I don’t know how many of you are in a management roll, but you can tell someone to do something and they still don’t get it right. When you tell someone to do something, some will do it fast, some will do it slow, some will be good at it, some will be mediocre and some won’t do it at all, some will keep doing it right and some just won’t do it. It can be a crapshoot. Bone has to being hitting his head against a wall.

"Yaka Fest from outside for Klay Thompson" – Marques Johnson

by SoCalCoug on Feb 11, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

For everyone who thinks the season is over

Lunardi’s Bracketology from today has WSU as the first school out.

It’s not over.

Other bubble schools lost last night too.

by BigWood! on Feb 11, 2011 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Definitely don't think the "season is over"

but their window is considerably smaller, IMO. A win against UCLA, @UA or @UW might solidify our resume assuming we assuming we get Cal, ASU and USC (which aren’t givens, either), but last night was a huge opportunity lost.

Having Bennett’s players at a number of key positions definitely affects this team’s play, though I think even Bone would have been happy to get Klay, Casto, and Motum. Simon could be considered Tony’s guy, but Bone had a full year in which to tell him he’d be a better fit elsewhere, and didn’t. Besides, he’s a true frosh. I don’t expect much out of him.

The big thing, it seems to me, anyway, is that three players bring it the whole time they’re on the floor, and everyone else disappears for extended periods of time. Quick frustration fouls and mental lapses are irritating, but I get it. These guys are college “kids.” Cold shooting nights where nothing is falling… well that happens. The extended periods of… coasting – for lack of a better word… are what kills me. Standing around, rather than working the offense, and then jacking up shots, or more often, it seems, taking a quick 3 rather than working for a good look, and most often, ball watching on D or sleepwalking when rotating for possession after possession after possession.

I don’t think it’s a small thing that the 3 guys who seem to bring it 100% of the time are Juniors, so maybe the “youth” thing has merit. But yeah, this team is frustrating because when the focus, they’re really fun, and when they don’t… especially this late in the season… I want to stop watching them because I’m running out of Rolaids.

by TiltingRight on Feb 11, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats good news

Thank you 68 team field.

I think that proves Nuss’ point in his recent post. The “Bubble” is a sliding target.

We will call him Zatara.....sounds fearsome....It means driftwood.

by cfischer01 on Feb 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Could this team be better next year w/o Klay?

This idea was brought up to me after the AZ game and I have been kicking it around in my head. Not sure how I feel, but I think an argument could be made that these guys defer too much to Klay. Without Klay they might actually all take more responsibility and have more chemistry on the floor.

I am wondering what the thoughts are on this? Also, I am not on the Klay doesn’t play well in big games train or anything. I have loved watching Klay from the open scrimmage before his first year. He is going to go down as one of the greatest players in WSU history. I guess I don’t want this question to turn into bag on Klay thread.

We will call him Zatara.....sounds fearsome....It means driftwood.

by cfischer01 on Feb 11, 2011 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Easy Answer is NO Shot!

NO way are we better without Klay. We just need to run good offense and stop settling. It’s more of a team make-up thing then one individual.

by hbelvoir on Feb 11, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats what I am wondering though,

are they not running thier offense b/c they think Klay is going to bail them out by making a play. How many teams lose thier best player and actually get better the next year? If the mentality is we can play one on one basketball b/c Klay can get his shot, then they might realize that more ball movement = better shots for the team.

Its one of the hardest things for really young players to learn, to get their points whithout going one on one. The really good players score within the offense, they use the spacing and oppertunities provided in the offense to score points. It takes too much energy to score points playing one on one.

Not sure with Klay if this team feels like it can stop settling. I think they think they can win everygame by playing one on one because Klay is good at it.

We will call him Zatara.....sounds fearsome....It means driftwood.

by cfischer01 on Feb 11, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I can see where you are coming from but I don’t think there’s a chance this team is better without him.

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by Coug999 on Feb 11, 2011 2:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

i can see where you're getting at, but "better" is a bit drastic

they’re not going to drop 100 RPI slots if Klay leaves, which seems to be the mantra of the doom-and-gloomers, but we’ll be worse off.

by BigWood! on Feb 11, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

If they are better next year, it’s because of player development and/or Mike Ladd.

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by Grady Clapp on Feb 11, 2011 4:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

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