Ted Miller Explores Reasons For Hope And Concern At WSU
ESPN.com's Ted Miller has been running a series called "Hope & Concern" that has been hitting his Pac-12 blog while he's been on vacation the last couple of weeks. Yesterday, he tackled the Cougars.
His reason for hope? Should be pretty obvious, but here it is anyway: Jeff Tuel and the receivers.
Tuel put up his numbers with an inferior supporting cast compared to those three. But not that inferior, which is the key element for hope looking forward. ... With four starters back on an improving line, the Cougars should be able to give Tuel time. And if he gets time, the Cougs should be able to pass on just about anyone.
Tough to argue with that. I think we're all hanging our hats there.
His reason for concern? The legacy left by getting their collective faces kicked in for the last three years:
This team needs more than a chip on its shoulder. It needs confidence. After three years of being the conference patsy -- the one game every team automatically put in the win column in August -- it won't be easy for this team to swagger into a stadium and believe it's the best team on the field.
If you've been around here for any length of time, you know I put a lot less stock in things like "heart" and "confidence" than most people. I don't think they're non-existent by any means, I just don't find much value in speculating about things that are impossible to measure. However, I think it became clear over the last few years that those things do matter, especially with the way some of the upperclassmen appeared to roll over in Paul Wulff's first two years. So I do get where Miller is coming from.
However, I'm not sure I'd totally concur with him. This is a team that went toe to toe with Oregon in Pullman. This is a team that went into Corvallis, one of the tougher places in the conference to play, and beat Oregon State. This is a team that was a freakish Jake Locker pass away from at least overtime against Washington.
This team might have lacked the ability to put itself over the top in a number of contests, but I'm not sure confidence was the issue.
At any rate, if I was to pick my reason for concern? I'd say the team's ability to stop the run. We know Tuel can be reasonably effective even while under duress, so while it'd be nice to have a better offensive line, I don't find it super critical on a team with a lot of problems. Stopping the run, however? At minimum, the Cougs would have won two more games last year if they could have done that.
The linebackers should be better, with C.J. Mizell and Sekope Kaufusi a year older and stronger, and Alex Hoffman-Ellis a year older and (God willing) smarter. The defensive line should be better, especially up the middle with Anthony Laurenzi and Toni Pole. But it's a huge question mark.
What are your reasons for hope and concern with this team?
32 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I agree
I don’t put a lot of stake in last season’s losses affecting this year’s team. The Cougars showed they can play with the rest of the conference. I think, to some degree, if last year’s season impacts this one it grows confidence. WSU did a lot of growing, but you wouldn’t notice it from the standings.
As for a concern, its the defense. The Cougs can put up the offense, but stopping opponents was hard last year. Improved tackling and a better rush defense will yield good things this fall.
Run defense is definitely a major concern
It won’t matter if Tuel can lead a touchdown drive in under two minutes if opponent can either grind 7+ minute drive by running it or reeling off long runs that lead to touchdowns. Being able to stop the run will be the difference between wins and losses this season.
If we were able to better stop the run last year we could have had wins against SMU, UCLA, Cal, and UW.
Confidence is not an issue for this team. It could have been an argument after Ok State and Montana St. and then again after ASU but this team bounced back and played well after those games.
My reasons
Hope: Skill positions – Tuel and our WRs on offense (and to a lesser extent Galvin and Mitz at RB) look to be very good players at this point and should be the strength of our team. On defense our LB corps should be improved (hopefully) and I think our secondary should be reasonably decent as well.
Concern: Trenches – Our line play on both sides of the ball has been atrocious these past 3 seasons. We should be bigger, stronger and better than we have been but at this point I’ll believe it when I see it. If Tuel has no time to throw or we generate no pass rush/can’t stop the run with our front 4 then we’re going to struggle again this year.
Streamin' and Threadin' and Shellin
Agree and disagree.
I do think that things like confidence, attitude, I guess “heart” if someone wants to call it that, do matter a lot. A 6-0 team should, in my mind, play better than an 0-6 team not only because of talent, but because of a culture of losing. I feel that many teams that have sucked for long periods of time, also continue to suck because what kind of pressure is there to be good?
However, I do agree that Miller may be misjudging the “heart” of this team. Because as you said, when the team should have been down in the dumps, or “who cares?” attitude, they played harder as the season went along. So if anything, at least the 2010 version showed a lot better attitude than one might expect.
follow @casetines
by Kenneth Arthur on May 25, 2011 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
Some hope, various concerns.
Hope: Jeff Tuel and the receiving corps.
Concerns: All of those expressed by Jeff in the article and by prior commenters in this thread, plus one — our punting game.
To add a bit regarding the offense, I don’t think it is going to be the juggernaut people seem to expect. It will be a strength of the team, but I don’t think it will be spectacularly good, owing primarily to the limitations of our offensive line. We were last in the Pac-10 in scoring offense last year, and 8th in the Pac-10 in yards per game.
Will we be better this year than last year on offense? Yes, perhaps. Maybe a credible run game, assuming we can develop one, will make it easier for Tuel to pass and for our O-line to pass block. Maybe Galvin/Mitz is a significant upgrade over Monty/Mitz, although I find that hard to believe. Maybe growth and cohesiveness in the O-line, and having Gonzalez back, will not only make up for the loss of Williams, but will result in the unit being better collectively. Perhaps losing Williams’ horrible snaps will help Tuel significantly.
How much will all of these things help? I’m not entirely sure, but I don’t think it’s enough to make the last-place scoring offense in 2010 any better than average in the Pac-12 in 2011, though, especially when it seemed to me that many teams were hamstrung on offense last year by having their QBs get knocked out for extended periods (e.g., Prince, Riley, Foles, etc.), keeping down the overall offensive numbers for the conference. Maybe that will happen again this year — nobody knows.
I think the loss of Forrest will be a bigger deal than people think, especially given that Wagner looks to be a huge downgrade. Losing 15-20 yards in net punting yards (accounting for returns), and giving up some return TDs on line-drive punts, could really hurt. Forrest punted 66 times last year, about 5 times per game. Being hurt for 75-100 yards per game in field position by having Wagner punting instead of Forrest could be painful, especially given the well-known problems our defense has. Short fields, plus a defense that at best will be somewhere from 9th to 12th in our conference, isn’t good. Perhaps Wagner can do better than that. I’m not sure.
Galvin and Mizell will play huge roles on whether this team competes for a bowl.
Pass defense and Pass offense are capable of being strengths on this team, but both run offense and run defense were a clear liability (putting it modestly) last season.
If Galvin can stay healthy and break some big runs as well as provide some consistency, and if Mizell can be a consistent explosive defender, which we all think he can, (assuming he gains some assignment discipline). Having these two players playing at a high level all year will be necessary for a bowl run in my opinion.
Biggest hope is obviuosly Tuel.
Concern: I’d have to agree with Miller somewhat. I feel like a team that goes into a game feeling like they are a good team is going to play exponentially better than an equally good team that feels like a bad team. A confident team will see an early deficit as something that they can overcome. A not confident team could very well just roll over. Believing alone isn’t going to win you games, but it certainly can’t hurt.
Other concern (rehashed I guess): Run defense. CJ needs to play well. Kaufusi needs to play well, and personally I feel like AHE gets a bad rap around here. He was out of position a lot, but you can’t forget that he’s made his share of big plays as well. On second thought, I wouldn’t place LB as the biggest concern. I’d place them as the biggest unknown. They were able to contain ’Quizz, but then got lit up next game (but to their credit Mizell was held on just about every play, the biggest one coming on a long Polk TD run if I remember correctly).
Attractive, Intelligent, Short Attention Span, Timbers Fan Reader
What about the D?
Hope: Jeff Tuel will have an arsenal of WR’s to include Jared Karstetter, Marquess Wilson, Gino Simone, Isiah Barton, Kristoff Williams, Bobby Ratliff, Isaih Myers, and a few freshman coming this summer. That doesn’t even include TE’s Andrew LIntz or Aaron Dunn. The offensive line should drastically improve this year since there are finally PAC 12 players across the line, unlike previous years where it was a complete patchwork and the QB’s got pummeled.
Concern: The Defense will be young like last season’s offense and by the end of the season will finally start playing PAC 12 football. I just hope it’s not too little too late because I think there’s plenty of talent on this team. The secondary is loaded with talent and there’s a few “veterans” in the front 7 with Brandon Rankin, Travis Long, and Mike Ledgerwood. The concern is how long is it going to take the LB’s and D line to finally gel? There’s a ton of talent on the D line now to include DT K Pole a redshirt freshman who looked awesome during the spring. However, there’s plenty of optimism coming from the new group of incoming freshman and transfers to include DE Ian Knight, LB’s Chester Su’a who could be one of the biggest “steals” of the recruiting class, Logan Mayes, and a few other players who have the chance to really shine. But, it’s young and needs time to gel.
Plenty of both
Hope:
1) Schedule. We should equal last year’s win total after the first two weeks of the season…and there’s no reason not to expect this team to have a chance in each of the first 5 games. We lose home field advantage for the OSU game, but so does UW for the Apple Cup.
2) Passing game. We could see some pretty nice stats by Tuel & Co., especially after the first few games.
3) Field goal kicking. Should be decent, and Furney has already shown he can boom them from 50+.
Concern (same as everyone else):
1) Run defense. I still don’t know how we’re going to stop anyone..
2) Running game. If our D can’t stop anyone, we’re going to need a running game to sustain drives and keep the opposing offense off the field. Will our O-Line and Mitz/Galvin at least keep other teams honest?
3) Pass blocking. Tuel could be right up there with the top QB’s in the conference if he has time and doesn’t have to pick the ball up off the turf every snap.
Right now I put our chances at a bowl game at 50/50, but I’m sure by August I’ll have morphed into a blindly hysterical optimist.
Cougar Athletic Supporter
I still can't behind the optimism stemming from the Oregon game last year
They overlooked us and still won by 3 scores.
Not saying we weren’t improved that day, but I don’t think it is an accurate measuring stick either.
by B-Lot tailgater on May 26, 2011 12:24 PM PDT reply actions
Given how things were going
I think our fans were glad we didn’t lose by a score of 78-0 (yes, with a two-point conversion, probably executed by Oregon’s placeholder deciding to just run it in for the hell of it) or something like that. I recall the discussion leading up to that game being along those lines. When our team came out and played hard, and actually kept the game kinda/almost/somewhat respectable, it made people feel like it marked improvement. I’m with you — I think they just didn’t really plan for the game and overlooked us — but I can’t dispute that we did a lot better in the game than people expected.
The game had a physical feel to it that previous ones didn't, also
I’ve been as down as anyone on the team at times, and that game surprised me. I think it surprised Oregon, too.
I should have worded my post a bit more carefully
I don’t think Oregon prepped for WSU the same way they did for, say, USC, or for that matter, UW. By “not prepping,” I don’t mean that they didn’t watch video and all that, although I think they may not have done so to the same extent. I mean that they may not have gone out of their way to show their whole playbook against WSU, in part due to a desire to keep a few cards in their deck for tougher opponents. I can’t prove any of this.
No matter what, I don’t think a lack of one or more of planning, motivation, or creative play calling were the only causes of the (relatively) competitive game, though. WSU coming out and playing hard was a significant portion of it as well.
I have a hard time believing Chip Kelly overlooked anybody
that guy is the very definition of preparation.
by BigWood! on May 26, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe overlooked was the wrong word
But Oregon came into that game sleep walking, but when they woke up the game was over.
by B-Lot tailgater on May 27, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hope and Concern Would Be A Fitting Schedule Poster Title...
Hope…
Talent – We do have a way more physically gifted and talented group than we’ve seen since Brink’s last season, and maybe even better. I think Galvin is going to be a good one, our recieving corps is incredible, Tuel will have senior-like experience and presence. I think our DB’s will be lights out and if Mizell gets serious our LBs will be hell to deal with as well.
Concern…
Guidance – Just cause you have good clubs, doesn’t mean you know how to golf. I look at the botched 1st and Goal from the 2 series against UCLA and the Montana State scare (see dramatic 4th qtr comeback and not knowing how to correctly run out the clock), and I wonder even with the better parts do they have the coaching to succeed? This staff has rarely had a team prepared to give 4 quarters of effort and hasn’t shown exactly what we are on offense or defense.
Good points about coaching.
I’m not so worried about preparation, as I think there was significant improvement on that front from season to season, and throughout the year based on what I observed. There have been some big time upgrades in coaching staff at a number of positions, too.
As far as showing “exactly what we are on offense or defense,” injuries and depth issues have impacted this a great deal. Last year we got a pretty good view of what the O and D will look like week to week. I’m guessing there will be a new wrinkle or two (hopefully effective TEs and run game), and the pace will be faster on offense. The defense will be the base 4-3 we saw most of the year, with slight changes (hopefully more/better blitzing and stunting) based on the team we play and formations.
I think the team will get into some tight games this season, which means the game management aspects that should come from the head coach will be under a lot of scrutiny. Hope CPW is up for it… I’ve got a couple questions there as well.
by TiltingRight on May 26, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm... 4 quarters of effort?
Other than ASU, I don’t remember thinking that last year’s team was one that didn’t play the full game, particularly as the season wore on.
UW, OSU, Cal, Stanford, UO, AZ, Montana St., etc. We went almost the whole season w/o a bye and I’m sure there were times when people wore down, but I don’t remember much quit in ’em.
In fact, I remember just the opposite. I’d actually list effort as one of the reasons for hope with this team. We’ll still be at a talent/experience disadvantage against most of the pac 12 teams we play so, assuming the coaching battle breaks even, we’ll need something intangible to put us over the edge.
Concerns? Injuries and stopping the run.
by All Cougar all the time on May 26, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We didn't play 4 quarters against Montana State
by B-Lot tailgater on May 27, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno...
I remember listening to the game, and I didn’t get the sense that the players weren’t playing hard. I DID get the sense that the players and the coaches were trying to figure out what they could and couldn’t do and trying to start w/ the basics.
I think of it this way:
2008 we were possibly the worst FBS team in history.
2009 we weren’t much better and had so many injuries only 45 players suited up for the OSU game. 15 scholarship players suited up on defense.
I’m thinking that the coaches weren’t able to a) do a lot of teaching, and b) build much of a system under those circumstances.
Opening 2010 we got crushed by OSU and weren’t really in a position to learn much except what NOT to do. The first part of the MSU game was us on our heels, and near the end the coaches (probably out of desperation) opened up the offensive play book a bit.
So, no, it wasn’t a very good game from start to finish, but it never seemed (to me) like we were playing badly for lack of effort. Lack of confidence? Definitely…
by All Cougar all the time on May 27, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all about addapting.
It’s hard to pick up the subtleties of coaching in the PAC in your first season. It’s especially hard when you are unable to put into play the schemes you want, because of a lack of talent.
Not only has Coach Wulff upgraded the talent on the field, he also has upgraded his coaching staff (Tormey at line back is the only one I can think of off the top of my head) as he has moved from season to season.
He has shown he can adapt and upgrade at the Pac-10(12) level. The question is, can he win?
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on May 26, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
And it's especially especially hard when you bring all your buddies with you from FCS instead of hiring a veteran staff.
Ya no kidding
One thing that bugs me is that I can’t remember the name of the other guy he brought in this off-season… (if there was another guy)
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on May 26, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I mentioned Tormey in the previous post. Howard is the guy I am looking for.
Thanks guys!
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on May 27, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, this is what soured me from the beginning
I was actually excited about the prospect of Wulff until I looked at who else was tagging along.
by B-Lot tailgater on May 27, 2011 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I think, he thought he was getting into a better situation talent wise.
And figured he could bring his coaching staff along with a team, who had talent….
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on May 27, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions

by 
















