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Tyson Pencer Leaves WSU, Multiple Incoming Players Cutting It Close With Grades

The WSU football team is in a dog-fight with attrition, losing two offensive lineman and potentially losing multiple members of the class of 2011. While attrition has been expected, it's not exactly the news anyone wants to hear with fall camp looming. Tyson Pencer will be leaving the team, according to a report, and Niko Aumua, a junior college defensive tackle, did not make grades, cutting down some of the depth on both lines. Tim Hodgdon also retired from football a few weeks back.

Pencer is headed back to Canada to play for the Canadian Junior Football League, according to a report from our neighbors to the north (via Cougfan)

Backup offensive guard Tyson Pencer plans on playing for the Okanagan Sun of the Canadian Junior Football League this season, according to a report in the Daily Courier. "General manager Howie Zaron went hard after Pencer once he learned he was not planning on returning to school this fall and is excited about having the CFL draft eligible player in Sun colours," said the newspaper.

Head coach Paul Wulff had the foresight to plan for a few of the incoming recruits to not making, creating somewhat of a log-jam. While it's unknown which will or will not qualify, Wulff would be in a minor scholarship mess if all the questionable recruits do end up in Pullman. The report, which comes from Vince Grippi, includes a name sure to make Coug fans cringe.

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The group includes Rahmel Dockery, the cat-quick receiver from Curtis High in Tacoma, Wendell Talese, an offensive tackle from Oakland, Demetrius Cherry, a defensive tackle from Oak Ridge Military Academy, Alex Mitchell, the big offensive guard from Portland, and Brock Lutes, a linebacker/defensive end from Newberg, Ore. All five could make it, Wulff said, which would be somewhat of a problem

To be clear, there's no reason to panic just yet. The players with grade questions are working on their classes, including summer school courses, in an effort to gain the necessary grades to become eligible. And while this may be news to us, it clearly isn't a surprising revelation to the coach staff, who took a few extra while knowing some of the 2011 recruits may not qualify.

On another note, you may have noticed the posts have slowed down recently. With Jeff out of town and others buried in work -- including myself; thanks free agency -- it's been difficult to get content up. We will pick up the pace and prepare for football in the coming weeks, but for now it's the calm before the storm.

That's where you come in. If you have something to share, use the FanPosts. If you have an interesting link to pass along, use the FanShots. We'll bump the good ones to the front page to supplement our own coverage.

Edit: And I forgot about the two other players dealing with grade issues. Both Brandon Rankin and Toni Pole are dealing with academic issues, though neither seems to be major. According to Mr. Grippi, Rankin's problem is small and Pole needs to pass a summer class. Hopefully that's all it is and both are on the field -- WSU could use their services on the defensive line and both were expected to be major contributors.

Arthur Burns has also left the team after dealing with academic issues. He's bounced around on both sides of the ball, but never stuck anywhere, before leaving the program.

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To further temper any panic

As Brian sort of alluded to, this pretty much happens every year. Coaches expect a few of the recruits to drop because of poor grades and they know it’s coming. And even more a relief: none of them are expected to contribute right away (maybe Dockery in terms of kick/punt returns) AND when was the last time we heard about anyone already on the team worrying about grades.

I’ll give this coaching staff one thing for sure: the players are in the classroom and doing their homework. A tremendous help after our previous APR issues.

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by Michael The Coug on Jul 31, 2011 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

The last time we heard about anyone on the team worrying about grades

Was in the same report by Grippi, when he reported that both Rankin and Pole need to do well on summer coursework to stay eligible.

by Fractal on Jul 31, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah well, must've accidentally glazed over that

Still though…..2 guys on a roster of almost 100. Not terrible. Though both of them not being eligible would be a problem.

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by Michael The Coug on Jul 31, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually the APR number is still bad

College football news had an article maybe a couple of months ago, ranking each school’s APR and putting each school in a % range, : top 10%, next 10% , etc. I believe the APR number is an average for the prior 4 years. WSU’s APR number is 925; any lower and we lose scholarships. We are in the BOTTOM 10%. I have been very surprised about the comments that Wulff has had an “amazing” influence on improving academic performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our academic performance has been lousy; I think we are the lowest school in the Pac12. Floyd and Moos should rightly be embasrrassed by our academic performance, but hey, feel free to write about Wulff’s positive influence. We’ve already lost 2 to academic issues. We have 7 at risk. Color me unimpressed.

by bpcoug53 on Jul 31, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even know where to start, so I'm not even going to bother

Go read about WSU’s APR and what APR is in general, then get back to me.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, don't

I don’t even want to have an APR conversation because APR is a stupid way to measure academic success.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I gotta ask

Why do you and Brian feel it necessary to be so dismissive to people? If he is wrong about something, why not address it, rather than post a response like this?

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by B-Lot tailgater on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

same damn comments???

I have never commented about APR before. I know what the APR is; it’a measure of academic retention. I suggest people read the Collegefootballnews APR article of about 3 months ago. It’s easy to find. Our number is 925; any lower and we lose scholarships. They rank us in the bottom 15%. I think the 953 referenced was for one year, but the 4 year average is still very low at 925. We have a lot of work to do.
—Everybody is measured by the same APR formula. To deflect the issue and say that the APR is a “stupid way to measure academic success” changes the focus. Can’t we stay on track here?

by bpcoug53 on Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing that the four-year average is so low, isn't it?

Perhaps you should start here.

Using one article and simply saying “oh, damn, the APR is low and Wulff is a terrible influence,” at least understand the context and what’s going on with the scores, as well as the APR plan put in place by the staff — a necessary step put into place after the original loss of scholarships. Long story short, no, there isn’t a risk of losing scholarships.

And yes, APR is a stupid way of measure academic success, which is what you tried to do by applying it to the coaching staff and saying they’re crappy influences on the student athletes

by Brian Floyd on Aug 1, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That should read "Instead of using"

And just pointing at that 925 is amazingly ridiculous. You do realize that low score — the one in the 800s — comes off the books next year and that the APR score will jump significantly?

by Brian Floyd on Aug 1, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're twisting my words around

I never said that Wulff or the coaching staff are “crappy influences on the student athletes”. where did I say that? I’d like to see the evidence that the APR is a “stupid way of measuring academic success.” why do you say that? I’d like to believe that we aren’t at risk of losing scholarships, but I don’t believe that.
—Wulff has said that he is “recruiting players from the neck up.” Now 20% of the class of 2011 are at academic risk, including players who were touted as being ready to contribute right away,. They can’t contribue if they’re not eligible. Also 2 key members of the DL are at risk.

by bpcoug53 on Aug 1, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right here?
I have been very surprised about the comments that Wulff has had an "amazing" influence on improving academic performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our academic performance has been lousy; I think we are the lowest school in the Pac12. Floyd and Moos should rightly be embasrrassed by our academic performance, but hey, feel free to write about Wulff’s positive influence.

APR is not a measure of academic performance. It’s a measure of both academic progress AND retention. A player transfers to seek playing time, it takes a hit. A player transfers down a level, you take a hit. A player leaves school for any reason, even if still eligible, you take a hit. A player leaves school AND is ineligible, you take a bigger hit.

You could have a team of student athletes just barely staying eligible and it wouldn’t show. It would look, at least an APR sense, the same as a team of honors students. You can not believe me about not even being close to losing scholarships, and you’d be completely wrong. Seriously, read up on APR and the situation at WSU.

As for recruiting — well, this is part of the game. There’s five incoming players that haven’t yet qualified. It was planned for in recruiting. Teams and coaches take fliers all the time, grabbing kids then working through the summer to get them eligible. It says nothing about whether they’ll be able to stay eligible once in school, with the benefit of full-time tutors.

by Brian Floyd on Aug 1, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Random question about APR

Does it count against a school’s rating if a player uses all of his eligibility but fails to obtain a degree like after 4-5 he just leaves school because football is over?
I guess in simpler terms, do graduation rates have an effect?

by sdcoug09 on Aug 1, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe technically the answer is no

But I also don’t believe it’d be possible to both stay eligible and not graduate within the five-year window, either. The way I’m looking at APR, and I think it’s the way the rate is designed, is like shooting around graduation rate. It takes the factors involved in graduation — i.e. keeping players at one school and measuring eligibility by semester — in order to form a rate.

by Brian Floyd on Aug 1, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also,

I believe that WSU has had the second most academic all conference honors behind Stanford, which says a lot about how hard these guys work and have had to work despite the attrition that comes with college ball. That, plus an apr score that looks to increase significantly next year points to an improving culture of there being more to college than just sports.

by msgp501st on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on now.

All programs take flyers on players and their eligibility, especially with players that can play right away (with the exception of Ivy league schools). You can’t tell me USC, Ohio St, Alabama, LSU, Oregon (the list could go on) don’t recruit players with iffy grades?

By the way you should really re-read your posts before you comment about them. Your context and tone must be completely different than what you are typing. I took your comment as saying Wulff is doing a horrible job with the APR score and Floyd and Moos should be embarrassed.

"Borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back"

by SoCalCoug on Aug 1, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

sticking up for Brian/Craig

I think they’ve been more than patient with certain members and their actions are incredibly appropriate in this particular scenario.

by BigWood! on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It took one Google search

To come up with this link. And discredit this entire argument. APR is a bad way to judge academic success as Brian said but it’s the one measure we have and WSU is doing much MUCH better than the old 912 number I seem to remember from a few years ago.

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by Michael The Coug on Aug 1, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Max Gama expected to grayshirt?

And maybe someone else? I wonder how they decide who grayshirts.

by newportcoug on Jul 31, 2011 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Gama is still expected to grayshirt.

But I’m not sure who else is. I’m wondering if that grayshirt number includes Gama or not, actually.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 31, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of slower posts.

What happened to the top ten cougcenter moments. I thoroughly enjoyed those but I think they stopped at number 7 or something and I’ve been dying to know what the top moment of all time is.

by msgp501st on Jul 31, 2011 6:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Craig is feverishly trying to learn math right now.

He should be done with finals soon, though. This whole preparing for grad school thing is slowing him down.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 31, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he hitting the tanning bed a bit?

Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelPreston3

by Michael The Coug on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was just nervous.

He probably didn’t expect any questions directed his way.

by msgp501st on Aug 1, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Excuse me, Coach Wulff!"

“Is that just a base tan for a cruise your going on or is your skin naturally that olive? If so, will you be trying out for Jersey Shore?”

Two in the cake, one in the puddin'! -Kevin Calabro, Twitter: MichaelPreston3

by Michael The Coug on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

i know sometimes facts are lacking, but at least try to get the spelling of the names right.

by norcalcoug on Jul 31, 2011 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

C’mon. They’re obviously typos.

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by Coug999 on Jul 31, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you are going to be that way,

at least learn where the shift key is so you can make capital letters.

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by SoCalCoug on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

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