CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT: Pac-12 Officially Declines Expansion (For Now?)
Ever since the Pac-10 took the bold step a little over a year ago of pursuing roughly half the Big 12 in an effort to expand to 16 teams -- an effort that eventually resulted in Colorado and Utah moving and joining the Pac-12 -- the conference has been linked to just about every potential realignment scenario as Dan Beebe's league inches ever closer to its inevitable demise.
It's been widely presumed (and reported) that at least Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are headed to the Pac-12, and probably also Texas and Texas Tech, wherein the Pac-12 would become the country's first BCS automatic qualifier superconference with 16 teams.
This, apparently, comes as news to the Pac-12. The conference issued the following statement tonight:
In light of the widespread speculation about potential scenarios for Conference re-alignment, the Pac-12 Presidents and Chancellors have affirmed their decision to remain a 12-team conference. Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said, "after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us."
To say this statement comes as a surprise is putting it mildly. Like most, I have a hard time believing the Pac-12 is really all the way out of the realignment game. But reading between the lines, it appears Scott is drawing a very public line in the sand: If you want to join the Pac-12, you're going to play by the Pac-12's rules. (Looking your way, Texas.)
There will be no negotiating revenue shares with separate broadcast entities. There will be no usurpation of power. Either you fall in line, or we'll manage just fine without you.
Honestly, the more I've thought about it, the less attracted I've become to the idea of a 16-team conference. I don't often agree with Jim Walden, but I did tonight -- I don't trust Texas. The Longhorns will always be about themselves, and one of the things that I think has made the Pac-10/12 great is the stability over the years. Nobody has left the conference since the conference that would become the Pac-8 was formed in 1964. Arizona and Arizona State joined 14 years later, and Utah and Colorado joined 30-plus years after that.
The conference is a model of stability. You could say that hasn't always been a good thing because the conference hasn't been as aggressive as it could have been in the past, but in this case, I think leaning toward stability is wise. The ACC is panicking, so it struck first. The Big East is now panicking. The Big 12 is on the verge of either collapse or becoming some kind of zombie conference that will add a team or two that ultimately lowers its overall profile just to stay alive.
All the while, the Pac-12 just sits back and watches the carnage with everything it already wants in hand -- a football championship, an enormous TV contract, its own digital media network. Perhaps not taking on the football properties of Oklahoma and Texas puts the conference in a slightly weaker position a decade from now in media rights negotiations, but if that's the price to pay for not getting used like a cheap tramp by Texas until the Longhorns find a better deal, I'm all for patience.
Utah and Colorado want to be here for the long haul. The Longhorns' history says they're merely mercenaries. For now, I think Scott's strategy to wait it out is a good one. He holds all the cards, and he knows it.
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None of the above
It is just the right decision for the schools, fans, and student athletes.
A new Big 12 is going to rise from the ashes.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 20, 2011 8:53 PM PDT reply actions
And will be weaker than what it was before.
Which is good for the Pac-12. I’m now not convinced the Pac-16 would have been better off than a duct-taped Big 12 that replaces Nebraska, Colorado and Texas A&M with TCU/BYU/SMU/Etc.
Sorry didn't say that right.
A Pac-12 competing against a crappy Big 12 might be better than the Pac-16 competing against nothing, if that makes sense.
agree with B-lot tailgater
It is exactly the right move for the Pac12. One of the things that hasn’t been emphasized about a Pac16 is that adding Texas, Oklahoma, Okla. State and Texas Tech would put smaill schools like WSU and Oregon State at even more of a competivie disadvantage than we already are. We cannot compete, on the field, with schools like Texas and Oklahoma. who are we kidding? We are struggling mightily as it is; I believe we had one team with a winning record last year. It would just cause more pressure for the coaches and players. Our fans need to start seeing wins, not more futility. I hope the pac12 presidents mean it when they say no expansion.
I've been turning sour to Texas as well
I was thinking about it the other day and I could barely remember that Utah and Colorado were in the conference now. And at 16 teams, it might as well be two different conferences when it comes to football as you’d only see a team in the other conference once every 8 years or so at home (assuming the current model were to stay, I think I did my math right).
I think we’re just fine the way we are.
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by Michael The Coug on Sep 20, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions
Quite happy, ecstatic actually...
I’m glad Commissioner Scott and the rest of conference leadership’s stance is to stay at 12 and you either buy into our revenue system or your not in. My feelings about Texas have always remained the same keep them as far away from our conference as possible. They are bullies and always want to be top dog and in charge. Their greed has split the Big XII and now they have to repair it or go independent. I still can’t figure what the hell the ACC is up too, that’s just confusing!
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by Cougz4Life509 on Sep 20, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Might be the best not-so-subtle jab ever
we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve.
Guess what Texas, we’ve done fine with our media rights without you. Get in line or don’t bother, enjoy your intrasquad game reruns on the Longhorn network for the month of February.
If there's such a "culture of equality" in the Pac 12,
why did Scott bend over for the California schools’ scheduling demands?
How would you have felt if the Apple Cup was discontinued?
Or your yet-to-be named rivalry game with Oregon?
It was to preserve the classic college football rivalries
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 21, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say he did...
…I’d say he did a good job of keeping everyone equally happy. The scheduling shifts were necessary for the long term satisfaction of the rivalries, which is a lot of what the Pac-10/12 is all about. The California schools have been playing each other for a long, long time, and it just wouldn’t be the same if we didn’t all play each other. Back before the round-robin schedule, yes, once-a-decade we’d miss a CA school, but that was it – the intrastate games are really important to all of us. That’s all it was.
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It's funny, because I said something on twitter literally 2 minutes before you posted this.
I think it’s purely the Pac-12 playing hard to get. Reaffirming the “we don’t need you” attitude.
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I don't believe the Pac-12 is totally done here...
You know, about 6 to 8 weeks ago the SEC voted to not extend an invited to Texas A&M. A few weeks later A&M elected to leave the Big 12 and boom the SEC welcomed them with open arms.
A couple of things can still happen here. Texas could fall in line with our revenue model and this gets done. The other could be that the conference says, screw Texas, gets the Oklahoma schools, Mizzou and Kansas. Would give us a national and Texas appeal with the Oklahoma schools, as well as the Kansas City and St. Louis media markets with the other two.
Remember folks, this ain’t about top 25 rankings, it’s about media rights fee’s, and media markets is what drives it.
Interested to see how this shakes out, and glad the Pac-12 stood it’s ground with Texas.
Ted Miller posted something similar.
I can’t link it from my phone. Id bet anything that if tomorrow Texas showed up at Larry Scott’s doorstep begging to be let in that we would be right back where we were before tonight. Just because the Pac has backed out doesn’t mean that the Big East/twelve/access/sec are going to back off each other. There’s still going to be a feeding frenzy over there. Also, if the Big 12 schools don’t like the concessions made by the conference (firing Beebe) then we could be at it aging. The point is that there is just so much at play here and I don’t think that this story is even close to over. When Larry Scott says “we aren’t expanding” he is basically telling those schools “we don’t need you”. Its just building leverage and puts him in control of the situation. That’s why the original deal fell apart last summer, since the far that he went to them put the schools in control.
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by Coug999 on Sep 20, 2011 11:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I imagine how the begging will come down.
Texas will be on its knee wailing, but PAC-12 would be standing stiff and probably giving the cold shoulder.
by well you win some and lose others on Sep 20, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Want to know what Texas thinks.
by well you win some and lose others on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 PM PDT reply actions
I almost threw up reading that thread.
The arrogance of UT fans over there is sickening. I don’t think there is a fan base like that in the Pac12. The more I think about it the more I don’t want Texas, because they can never stay happy. It will be like having a Diva or a reality TV star in the conference. To much drama. If we can stay a viable conference with 12, lets just stay at 12. The ACC is trying to go 16, we will see how that works out. The Big10 seems happy to stay with 12.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 21, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats the most arrogant thread ive ever read.
Its not a direct rejection of OU. Its a direct rejection of everything Texas is. Its a rejection of their arrogance that they think they can just come over and be top dog. I was pro expansion, and if you can get Texas to conform to our standards then sure. Take em. But if they’re going to try to be the same old Texas then no way. Forgetting about the money for a second, I would have loved to see Larry take oklahomas and 2 other schools. I imagine Texas and it’s fans don’t deal with rejection very well.
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by Coug999 on Sep 21, 2011 11:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Darn Right We're Glad to be in the PAC
Speaking as Utah fan who did backflips when we got the invite, we are happy and proud to be a part of the Pac and feel a great comradeship with all the great schools in this conference.
The Pac has a long tradition of cooperation and shared goals and anyone else that is invited to join should be willing to do so on those terms. We certainly are.
And I frankly have doubts about Texas being willing to be a member of the group. They are always first and foremost about Texas and good luck anyone else.
by U of Uman on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I would picture it.
Texas would try to separate the PAC once Texas is in the door.
by well you win some and lose others on Sep 20, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This is what I see...
Oklahoma using the Pac as a bargaining chip to get more from their current confrence just like the Big 12 did last year (not a long term solution). Texas is a greedy institution… we knew that already though.
Larry Scott has just made it perfectly clear that we are fine, you are coming to us and that is something you shouldn’t forget.
One thing is clear, whatever Larry Scott wants to do is what will be best for the confrence.
by bliznair64@gmail.com on Sep 21, 2011 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
In The Great Scott's words
“We ain’t the chip to be gambled.”
by well you win some and lose others on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The only
reason to expand would be to get an even larger TV contract than we have now. Substantially larger. If each school’s EQUAL share of the pie went up to an average of say $28 million per year then fine, sign them up. If not, then don’t do it. After all, they asked to join us, we didn’t ask to loin them.
What several have speculated all along:
http://newsok.com/article/3606281
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 21, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Except that I don't buy that for a second.
by Jeff Nusser on Sep 21, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why not?
How is the Pac 12 a better fit for OU than the Big 12 in some form? Especially if they can get Texas to concede money?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 21, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Because any concessions they get from texas
would still be less than money they’d get from the Pac
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 21, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't know that
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 21, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
WSU is getting more from its conference then Texas
or Oklahoma
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 21, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
We are getting more than USC and UCLA too
What is your point?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 21, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
No, equal revenue sharing.
Pretty sure we are getting the same as USC and UCLA. My point is that if Oklahoma came to the Pac they would be in a more financially stable situation.
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 22, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
We are getting more from the Pac 12 than USC or UCLA
Same money yes, but we are definitely getting the better end of the deal.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 22, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that is has been refraised I get it.
Thank you, and your statement is true.
I was talking about monetary value, which is (as you admitted) equal.
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 23, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless the Big 12 decides to have equality and can bring its contracts to the level of the Pac-12, the Pac-12 is a better deal
That’s why. It’s like the guy who interviews for a coaching gig and then pulls his name out. We all know what really happened. Think about it: If this really was a negotiating ploy, every ounce of leverage they had is now gone, so it would be a really stupid negotiating ploy. OU is not that stupid.
If we were talking about K-State, I would agree
But we are talking about OU, they have plenty of money. I don’t think that is their biggest concern.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 22, 2011 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
They just gave Stoops a huge extension
He is making 5 million a year. Money is a priority sure, but for OU this whole thing has been about conference stability.
And it now appears they have it: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7006610/big-12-presidents-pledge-grant-television-rights-revenue-conference-according-oklahoma-president-david-boren
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 22, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it just depends on who you believe.
Oklahoma would have had more money as a member of Pac-14/16. Everyone wants more money.
I think a weakened Big 12 is probably good for the Pac-12, by the way. And it/when the thing falls apart again, the Pac-12 again will be well positioned to take advantage.
by Jeff Nusser on Sep 22, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thought some of you might find this interesting...
Also, first time I’ve posted a comment here.
Don't encourage him
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

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