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WSU Vs. SDSU: Grading The Offensive Line

This continues our look back at grading the "5 Things I Want To See From The Cougars" at San Diego State. I covered the defensive tackles here, linebackers here. If you're tired of reading about bad stuff from the game, this one is for you!

What I Wrote:

The offensive line not missing a beat. The five guys up front have been awesome, and one has to wonder how much of that has to do with continuity. That continuity is going to be tested tomorrow, as Andrew Roxas will miss the game with an injured ankle. Junior college transfer Taylor Meighen, who's been in the program since last spring, will take his place. There was a little bit of a competition between him and Roxas, so he's gotten time with the ones; in addition to that, he was originally an Air Force commit, so you figure he's pretty smart. I'll be looking for a seamless transition

The Grade: B+

The offensive line has deservedly taken a lot of crap over the first three years of Paul Wulff's tenure - averaging over 50 sacks given up a year with declining rushing totals by running backs in successive years will do that. But after three games, these guys deserve some major props.

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Yes, they played SDSU without their regular center, and no, his replacement didn't play all that well - Meighen has been dropped to third on the depth chart this week. If Roxas isn't healthy, Matt Goetz will start.

But if you didn't know that and just looked at the results* from SDSU, you'd have to conclude the offensive line played very well. In fact, if there was an award for the best unit in that game, you'd almost certainly have to give it to these guys. Think about that for a minute.

*No, I'm not a fan of results-based analysis. But I'm not an expert on the nuances of offensive line play - even less so than the other stuff I analyze, where I'm learning as I go - so results-based analysis it is! Besides, this might be the one area of the field where results are a direct reflection of process, anyway.

There was a lot of talk going into the game about Rocky Long's quirky defense, which I spent a little bit of time talking about in Cougar Sports Weekly on Monday. If you didn't get the mailing, the Aztecs play a base 3-3-5 - three down linemen, three linebackers, five defensive backs - in which one of the linebackers always rushes from the line of scrimmage. Often, it's simply as a stand-up end (against WSU, that was typically Miles Burris), but sometimes they mix it up by bringing the fourth guy from somewhere else. They also will periodically bring one or both of the other linebackers on a blitz, but the goal is generally to cause confusion along the offensive line, sometimes even when only rushing four.

For the past three years, we became resigned to the fact that the line couldn't block pretty much anyone 5-on-4 - or even 6-on-4 or 7-on-4 at times - and if the defense brought a blitz ... well, God help whoever happened to be standing behind that line. With that frame of reference, check out some stats from Saturday (charted by me; if you notice any inaccuracies, it's my fault):

  • 22 times, WSU passed against a straight four-man rush. The line yielded just one sack in those attempts - on the third-to-last play of the game - and just two other quarterback "hurries."
  • 15 times, WSU passed against a six-man blitz, yielding two sacks and two other hurries. (There was a third sack, on that blown up screen on which Lobbestael eventually fumbled, but that's hardly the line's fault.)
  • 10 times, WSU passed against a five-man blitz, yielding one sack and three hurries.
  • Three times, WSU passed against a four-man zone blitz, in which one or more of the three defensive linemen dropped back into coverage. One sack, no hurries.

Put together, Marshall Lobbestael had more than enough time to make his reads and get the ball off on three-quarters of his throws. I'm not going to pretend that's absolutely dominant offensive line play, but it's a hell of a lot better than anything we saw over the past three years, especially when you consider that the line faced blitzes on more than half of the passes with nothing more than a running back to help out in blitz pickup. And make no mistake - both Rickey Galvin and Carl Winston were fantastic in pass protection.* But the lion's share of the credit goes to the five guys in the trenches.  

*By the way, if you're wondering why Logwone Mitz didn't play a single down in this game, well, I'm certain this is your answer. He's long been considered a liability in pass protection, a reputation he didn't do anything to dispel in the first two games.

When you combine the pass protection with the 20 designed rushes on which WSU averaged a very respectable 4.1 yards, and then take the context of the last three years into account, a B+ grade is perfectly appropriate. To be honest, I thought about going higher, and for the first time in years, I feel confident that the line is heading in the right direction.

I don't know a whole lot about Colorado's defense, but my understanding is that they will be aggressive with blitzes, just as SDSU was. There's reason to believe the offensive line should be able to handle the Buffs. I still wonder how the line will stand up to the more physically imposing front fours on the schedule, but we probably won't have our answer to that until Stanford comes to Pullman.

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My grade: C

5 sacks a game on average leads to 60 sacks in a year which is worse than last season. Last season they ended the year more as a D then an F like they were at the beginning of the year. Against Idaho State and UNLV they got A’s because of the level of competition. Against a BCS quality school in SDSU, they allowed 5 sacks. What’s going to happen when they face the PAC 12?

I agree there’s improvement, but how much? Definitely not from a D to a B +. What’s going to happen next year when at least 2 starters (not counting Roxas) graduate and Tuel has to either have Fullington move to LT or have someone brand new protecting his blind side?

by jeremyb91 on Sep 28, 2011 4:36 PM PDT reply actions  

This grade isn't for what's going to happen next year.

That said, I agree that B+ is a bit too high for the performance we saw at SDSU. It’s only appropriate if the “curve” is calibrated against the horror of 2008-2010, whereby an average 2008-2010 (especially early 2010) performance would yield a C.

Otherwise, if the grading curve is set against a higher standard and our line gets a B+, what should SDSU’s get? A+++++++? Holding a Pac-12 team to zero sacks and having the feature back run for 4 TDs and 191 yards should merit more than two grade increments higher, in my opinion, than what our line should receive for its performance.

by Fractal on Sep 28, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comprehension 101?

Since you obviously failed to read the actual post, let’s break it down:

“Last season they ended up as a D.”.Does this discuss the previous 3 years or the future? Or this comment: “I agree there’s improvement, but how much? Definitely not from a D to a B +.” Again, I don’t see anything about next season?

Overall I gave THIS year’s team a C. You obviously failed Comprehension 101 because this is what I said about next season: “What’s going to happen next year when at least 2 starters (not counting Roxas) graduate and Tuel has to either have Fullington move to LT or have someone brand new protecting his blind side?” Where do I grade in the future on this? Not at all. There is no grade for the future. The only reason I mentioned the future is next year’s O line looks like it might be worse than this year’s.

I’m not grading on a curve either. Do they look better than previous teams? Yes, how much have they improved? We won’t know until they face better competition. As of now, it’s a C. Not in the future, not in years, past, but right now in the present.

by jeremyb91 on Sep 29, 2011 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, reading it again, you did.

I’m not sure that’s the right curve, but on that scale, I guess I could see a B+.

by Fractal on Sep 28, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reasonable minds can disagree about the approach.

I look forward to the day when we can all agree that the correct way to do this is to measure the team against the highest standard.

by Jeff Nusser on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, but ...

The O line looked adequate against UW last year in the Apple Cup. How much growth the O line had between that game and the SDSU game isn’t that dramatic. Compared to most of 2010 though, it was night and day better. I gave them a C as an actual grade based on the 5 sacks. They did alright but nothing good enough to give them a B because 5 sacks is still not good enough. SDSU deserved the B+ or A grade. I would say 3 years ago on a 100 scale, the Cougars were a 30 and have improved each year since to now a modest 70. SDSU would be a 90 or greater obviously.

What’s your opinion on next year’s O line? I’m curious if Fullington moves to LT or if Rodgers takes Gonzalez’s spot. At center its actually a good thing Roxas has struggled with his injury because Meighen and Goetz are going to get some opportunities to play.

BTW, you were right about both Taisese and A Mitchell in regards to their grades. Sad to see they couldn’t get in. I think they hurt the chances for future growth of the O ilne. Because they didn’t qualify, are they subject to the ruling where they need to get their two year degree before they can transfer as a non-qualifier?

by jeremyb91 on Sep 29, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

"The O line looked adequate against UW last year in the Apple Cup"

UW had five sacks in that game and Jeff Tuel had 11 other carries, only a couple of which were designed. Had Marshall Lobbestael been standing back there, the Huskies would have approached double digit sacks. This was night and day, even from that.

If Jeff Tuel was the QB against the Aztecs, we’re talking about two or three sacks and marveling at how much better the line was. People are focused way, way too much on the raw number, and not enough on the fact that Lobbestael is a statue who stares at receivers and can’t do anything with the ball if his guy isn’t open.

Next year, I think Fullington swings outside. His footwork and athleticism are perfect for that spot. Beyond that, who knows.

by Jeff Nusser on Sep 29, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, re: SDSU's line

The zero sacks is a little misleading. Consider this:

WSU sacks+hurries allowed: 11 in 50 pass attempts, or 22 percent.
SDSU sacks+hurries allowed: 8 in 37 pass attempts, or 21.6 percent.

That WSU didn’t get home for a sack says more about Lindley and his experience, I think. He was able to repeatedly get rid of the ball in the times when he faced pressure. Contrast that with Lobbestael, where on four of the five sacks he had three seconds before the pocket collapsed; there was only one sack where he had no chance, and that was on the second drive.

by Jeff Nusser on Sep 28, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a B+ is fair

How many of the sacks were really the lines fault? How many do you put on playcalling ? ( I don’t put any on playcalling but some might) How many do you put on the QB or one of the RB’s. I seem to remember the first sack of the game, Galvin did everything pretty much right, but still caused a sack because he is small and he got shoved into Lobster.

by Louhawk on Sep 28, 2011 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

What you just mentioned has me a little scared.

The first time we face a truly challenging front four will be against Stanford. Guess who will possibly just be coming back from injury that week?
Granted, Tuel has shown the ability to evade tacklers and extend plays, but you have to assume he will get hit a few times. Wouldn’t it be horrible if he were to go down the same game he came back in?
I wonder if Sturdy will be more conservative with the play calling and pass protection to protect Tuel. If so, that eliminates one of JT’s big strengths, (the ability to run the read-option) but you almost have to.

by Ben Wentz on Sep 28, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I've got a good feeling

Tuel will be back for UCLA next weekend.

As for the line, I’m liking what I’m seeing out of them. Not where I would like an o-line to be, but they aren’t as bad as butter being cut with a hot knife.

by tclaus on Sep 28, 2011 6:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Although I wouldn't put conservative play calling past Sturdy (to protect Tuel),

comments coming from the staff stating that they won’t play Tuel until he’s ready suggests that once they do put him in, it’ll be as a “full-up round”. Of course, they’ll probably also pound “slide or get out of bounds” into his skull as well.

Aim High - GO COUGS

by 89Coug in FL on Sep 28, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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