Is a Friday Apple Cup the black lining to a silver cloud?
So I read an article in The Daily Evergeen about the Apple Cup being on a Friday and how awful of a scheduling move it was. There was also a letter to the editor reiterating these setiments. Family, friends and even complete strangers that I happen to overhear in Pullman just reinforce the overall displeased state of the Cougar Nation. And they all bring up great points, particularly about losing the student body during game day (as experienced during the Seattle game this year, where big plays seemed to garner golf claps).
But then why are we more fired up than we have been since 2003?
One reason. Mike Leach. And why do we have Mike Leach as our coach? I don't know for certain. Maybe he would have come here just because the Palouse is such an awesome place. Or maybe Bill Moos could have talked him into coaching here even if it meant living out of a trailer and eating Ramen everyday. But I bet no one will argue that his contract had a huge factor in his hiring.
How did we afford this contract? The Pac-12's new television deal. And what were some of the stipulations of this deal? Games played outside of Saturday.
As John McGrath notes:
The television contract requiring UW to play one game on a Thursday and two others on a Friday is the same television contract that enabled the Huskies to unload defensive coordinator Nick Holt and assistants Mike Cox and Jeff Mills, even though the school still owes more than $1 million on their contracts.
And we all know that WSU was the school to benefit most (well, perhaps other than Utah) from the media deal. A Friday Apple Cup is just a black lining to the silver cloud that is Mike Leach and I, for one, can't wait to see him rain touchdowns on our opponents next year.
I'm not just writing this up to say that we need to take our lumps (read: Friday Apple Cup) in order to win big (read: hire Mike Leach). I also want to point out some of the silver lining that is a Friday rivalry game.
Mike Leach isn't only a huge story in Pullman. He garnered national attention. If you ever have read any of the comments on the various Cougar Sports sites following his hire, you undoubtedly have seen many that read something like "I CAN'T BELIEVE WSU IS ON SPORTS CENTER FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN POT BUSTS!!!1!!!1!" Hell, Google "Mike Leach national attention" and see how many articles were written just on the amount of articles that were written about him.
Leach’s reputation means an immediate bounce in season ticket sales, national attention and recruiting.
Let's focus on that last word, recruiting. If you haven't yet seen how he has already affected recruiting, you can follow it here. Even Bob Condotta admits that Leach's national reputation will help our in state recruiting significantly. Now sure, I know what you are saying, it is Mike Leach's reputation that is bringing in recruits, not the media attention that WSU is getting. And while this is almost completely true, his reputation is not just built upon his win/loss record. While his record at Texas Tech was pretty stellar, his reputation was also built upon his play calling, coaching style, Air Raid offense, wide splits and post game interviews; things that can only be seen during (and immediately after) a game.
So how does a Friday night rivalry game help in this aspect? Well, the SEC does not have a game on Black Friday. Nor does the B1G Ten. The Big Twelve's schedule is still up in the air, due to adding teams like TCU, but like most major conferences, they also have an aversion to Friday games. Who else schedules Friday games consistently and often gets comparisons to WSU in regards to size, money and location? Why none other than Boise State.
By playing on Friday, Boise has garnered national viewership. Honestly, how many people would care to watch BSU destroy Fresno if it wasn't on a Friday night? But people from around the nation tune in because they are interested in the national hype surrounding Boise State as a non-AQ powerhouse.
Furthermore, this game potentially has some serious implications. Keith Price is considered a dark horse for Heisman after his performance against RG3. Marquess Wilson is also considered a dark horse. UW also made it to a bowl game with an atrocious defense. While they are losing Chris Polk, by making a great D coordinator hire in Justin Wilcox and with Price becoming a sophomore, it is hard not to see UW (already a bowl team) taking a significant step forward. And even unbiased eyes are predicting a bowl game for our Cougs next year. Oh wait, did I mention that it is a rivalry game as well? Additionally, the Apple Cup is the last game of the year, unlike Stanford and Cal's Big Game, practically guaranteeing serious bowl game implications.
And what is the typical 18-40 year old male doing on Black Friday? Sitting around watching ESPN and eating microwaved leftovers while his significant other is out shopping. Recruits are most likely doing the same thing. The mere fact that the game is on Friday, in addition to the new television contract, strongly suggests that the game will air on a major station.
So while attendance at the game will be lower than normal and the student body will not be in full force, there are still some positives to a Black Friday Apple Cup. The national exposure to Mike Leach and his offense that this game will inevitably bring can only help out WSU in all aspects of recruiting.
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I don't think the complaints
are about the exposure we’ll get, it’s the high likelihood that we’ll have 14k people in the stands on primetime TV.
This is the trade-off we made for the media deal. We knew it going in. Now that it’s reality, though, folks are griping.
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I think that is extremely unlikely
This is still Apple Cup we are talking about, not Montana State on Thursday night.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 11, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
While unfortunate, I consider a Friday game the cost of doing business.
We got a raw deal with the Apple Cup being the game the Cougs were picked to play on a Friday. It’s just bad luck on the Cougs part that the students will be out of town. I guess that’s just the way the ball bounces. Assuming both teams have great season’s the crowd could still be large. Does anyone know if WSU will be allowed to sell tickets in the student section, if there is not enough student interest in the seats? Maybe the athletic department will end up better off financially, if they are allowed to sell tickets in the student section.
Sometimes I act irrationally.
the student section will be full
the frozen poop has to hide somewhere.
by BigWood! on Jan 12, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The Kazakh president, responding to the Borat movie, says "all publicity is good publicity".
I disagree. Having 14,000 people in the stands for arguably our biggest game of the year, our rivalry Apple Cup, is not good publicity. It is going to be embarrassing. We need a home field advantage and we especially need it against our rivals. I will be trying to go to that game but it’s going to be very hard depending on where I am living at the time and who we see for Thanksgiving.
Will the benefits of recruits seeing a Mike Leach offense be outweighed by the negatives of the recruits seeing empty stands?
All we can do is hope the game starts in the late evening.
PS – Black Friday is a waste of time. Not going to say nothing useful is on sale but for the amount of time you have to spend to find a deal you might as well just wait for cyber Monday
apple cup will sell out
this 14K figure is ridiculous
I'll be there
They could schedule the game at 2 am on Thanksgiving and I would still come down. I understand some people (students included) might have conflicts, but there should still be a good showing for the game, especially if both teams are playing well. There probably wasn’t a whole lot of choice for us in the matter anyway, we want to play the apple cup as the last game of the season and this is the way the chips fall. Honestly, would any of us be any happier if the game was on saturday?
Of course
My brother is one. He won’t be coming. Instead, he will be working on Black Friday (but not the Saturday that follows).
by Aaron Whiteman on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Does having it on a crappy day this year ensure it won't be scheduled for an equally bad date next season?
I can live it with it (like I have a choice anyway) if everybody has to round robin poor dates around the league in future years.
I can't find the article, but I think I remember reading that teams are required to play three non Saturday games over the course of five years.
by Mark Sandritter on Jan 11, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
There is no way teams will only play 3 non Saturday games in 5 years
While that may be the minimum requirement there is no way that is going to happen. If you look at the schedule for next year alone, ASU, Utah an UW all play 3 non Saturday games, along with Colorado playing 2. Also ASU has back to back Thursday night games which I found to be odd. And they said our OOC games of the first 3 weeks are still subject to change.
Also, we did have 2 games scheduled on Friday of week 13 the past 2 years so i guess we are just adding 1 more.
Well he did
But I was just pointing out that it will be more then 3 in a 5 year span. I would expect to see at least one non Saturday game a year from each team in the Pac-12 and probably one season of two or more.
Students really need to stop complaining about this
As long as the game starts late enough for people to leave on Friday morning (I would say 4pm) there is zero downside for any football loving, party raging, WSU student.
The cherry on top for them is they LIVE IN PULLMAN and therefor have a place to stay.
Plenty of other fans will not be so lucky.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 11, 2012 3:36 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
So long as there isn't a snowstorm causing Snoqualmie Pass to close
I’m sure many other students will be returning early.
After a week at home and a full day of family “fun” on Thanksgiving, I’m sure I wont be the only one glad to have a legitimate excuse to get back to Pullman two days earlier.
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by Tenacious Tom on Jan 11, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Zero downside? Really?
Cuz it cuts out a solid 2 1/2 days out of your time at home. When break is 9 days long, that’s quite a bit.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
But, you've already been home a week by then. For some people who leave on Wednesday or Thursday the previous week
…they’ll have been home over a week. Most schools give you Wednesday-Sunday period, WSU is the exception with the longer break. Plus, 2 weeks later, you get 5 or 6 weeks off.
Most only get 2 home Apple Cups as a student, I would implore every person to not miss either.
Missing it is out of the question.
I’m showing up either way, and so will everyone else. Otherwise they wouldn’t put it on this date. But it doesn’t change the fact that I (and a lot of other students) think this is an absolutely terrible idea.
"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can!" | Herb Brooks
by Coug999 on Jan 11, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I missed that part of college
Where being at home with my parents was more fun than parties and girls and Apple Cup on campus with no class to worry about.
My apologies!
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 12, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
I am going to point out
that parents still have a good bit of say in a college kids life.
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 12, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
You are an adult
Time to start acting like one
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 12, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I am going
I’m not talking about my parents. But there are people I know who’s parents will cut off their spending money if they get caught doing something that the parental units don’t like.
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 12, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
That would be
a prime example of not acting like an adult.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 12, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
If they don’t want their parents controlling their life, don’t take the money and get a job on campus or something. Sheesh. And we wonder why kids never grow up in this country.
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by SoCalCoug on Jan 12, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Along with that
What the hell is up with parents playing that card? I can understand if you catch your kid blowing money on drugs, but otherwise, wth?
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 12, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
This is true
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 12, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
if somebody doesn't leave a day earlier to go to the Apple Cup because mom and dad won't let them
they should probably stay home permanently.
by BigWood! on Jan 12, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
you're going home again in three weeks
when i was in school, i couldn’t wait to get back to pullman, ESPECIALLY if I didn’t have class.
by BigWood! on Jan 12, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
By my sophomore year, Pullman most definitely was "home"
by Jeff Nusser on Jan 12, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
In many ways, more than a decade later, I still feel like it is.
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by TiltingRight on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Always feels like it when I drive back
Seriously contemplated applying for a job there about a year ago.
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by SoCalCoug on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This kind of explains what is going on here.
http://youtu.be/-4T26x6GZEw
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I really enjoyed reading this.
The one thing I’d disagree with is this:
Honestly, how many people would care to watch BSU destroy Fresno if it wasn’t on a Friday night? But people from around the nation tune in because they are interested in the national hype surrounding Boise State as a non-AQ powerhouse.
I’d say people are tuning in because it’s the only football game on. I’d watch Directional Louisiana vs. UAB if it were the only game on. But you kind of address this later. The funny thing is, I hear a lot of Boise State supporters say “people don’t watch enough Boise State!” when they’re on all the time. They’re just on at a time when people aren’t watching TV.
Actually
I think he is just referencing a team that he feels is close to the same as WSU because it certainly isn’t the only game that is on Black Friday.
They played on Thanksgiving day!
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jan 12, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
God, I hope so.
Listened to part of Bill Moos’ Cougar Calls today and Bud asked him specifically about having this game on a Friday. Moos said he’ll do everything he can to make sure dorms, frats, sororities are all open for students. Hopes to also schedule Men’s and Women’s basketball games for the weekend to add to the attraction.
Most importantly, he felt we have a strong chance at getting the 4 PM time slot. Utah/Colorado with the early slot given they’re an hour ahead, and ASU/UA have been playing at night already. Gives Spokane/Tri-Citiers time to go to and from the game in a day and hopefully also allows students enough time to get back.
In Moos we trust
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 12, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think records will have something to say about that
if the records are poor and there is little at stake, I believe we could see 30,000 (like 2010) or slightly under. If records or good we could push up to 37,000. Then there is weather too. Remember we had blizzards Thanksgiving weekend 2010, so anything is possible.
The blood of "The Five" cries for justice.
I had this very conversation with someone else
Here’s how you do it:
- Have the students pick up a ticket before they leave for break. They don’t have to pay for it, they just have to show up and get one.
- Block off the student section to the size of those who picked up tickets.
- Sell the rest at like $20 GA in the week leading up to the game.
Simple.
by Jeff Nusser on Jan 11, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you'd have to do that earlier
i don’t know if 6 days is enough to sell that block of seats; especially considering most people who are planning on going to Apple Cup will have tickets already.
Black Friday is turning into a big day in College Football
Black Friday has featured some really good football over the past 3-4 years, including Pac-12, B1G, and SEC rivalry games. So i don’t get the point of conferences avoid Black Friday, because most conferences have been playing games on Black Friday. We are only adding one more game on Black Friday then we have had the past two years. We may have drawn the short end of the stick this year but i would not expect it to stay exactly the same every year.
I would also like to point out that, Both the Big Ten and SEC schedules are subject to change based on television selections. There will be atleast one SEC and Big Ten game on Black Friday (along with the Big East, MAC and C-USA).
I think people are underestimating
how many students are going to stay and invite their parents over for Thanksgiving. I’ve heard quite a few people bringing that up.
"It doesn't matter what you do, be it the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker, be excited about what you do." - Coach Mike Leach
by tclaus on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Based off where we should be
i’d be stunned if we don’t sell out. fanbase is as fired up as they’ve been in a long time, the team should be comin in having already clinched a bowl game, maybe goin for 8th or 9th win, and even though i hate em uw should be comin in with a good record too. sets up for a great game, or even a classic as a few ducks are tellin me. apple cup this year will be BIG for us cougs, and when we play in BIG games at home, our fans are there. come black friday, all Cougs alike will find a way to pullman. its gonna be that BIG game we’ve all been waitin years for and those are the games nobody wants to miss
I don't think the problem will be setting out
I think the bigger concern is if we fill the stadium. A LOT more people are buying season tickets this year which come with Apple Cup tickets so i do not think we will struggle to sell out. I think the bigger question is will everyone show up that has season tickets, and how full will the student section be. I for one think that the Student section will be completely full as long as we have a decent record (I assume we will be 11-0 at that point) and will have to turn students away.
This pile of crap game drew 32K on the Saturday before break -- a time that typically results in terrible attendance.
Link.
People will come to the Apple Cup no matter when it is. If there was a game to stick in this spot, it’s this one. Now if this were Oregon State, there’d be nobody in town.

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