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WSU Football Recruiting: Another Big Weekend For Visiting Prospects

Last week we talked about one of the most important weekends in the history of Washington State Cougar football recruiting. While this weekend is seeing upwards of nine prospective recruits on their official visit, it's still not as big, in terms of sheer talent, as last weekend. There is a reason to be excited, though. If one of the players visiting were to somehow commit, he'd become one of the best players we've ever recruited.

Last weekend saw three recruits verbally commit, as expected. This weekend, however, I don't really expect any of them to commit right away (if at all). If last weekend served as a verification for players that were WSU leans, this weekend serves as a "this is why WSU is awesome" in order to move us up in the pecking order. So I urge all of you to temper expectations. If no one commits by Monday, not all is lost.

Star-divide

(Players already committed)

Feddie Davey, S, Miami, FL (2 stars)

Jacob Tuivauave, LB/DE, Tacoma, WA (2 stars)

Pierson Villarrubia, OT, Mandeville, LA (2 stars)

(Players not committed)

Stephen Buckley, CB, Forney, TX (NR)

Buckley doesn't have an offer yet (according to Scout), but gets invited for an official visit anyway. Buckley is an interesting player. He played QB in HS, but at 5'11, 171 lbs, he's being recruited as an ATH/CB. All the video of him is while playing QB, so we're kind of in the dark on this one. Just speculation, but since he doesn't have an offer yet, I think he might be a Plan B. No offense or anything.

Cedric Dozier, CB/WR, Lakewood, WA (4 stars)

If Gabe Marks was the main target last weekend, Dozier is it this weekend. No disrespect to Kenny Lawler, but if we were somehow able to land Dozier, I'd just stop recruiting altogether and consider my job done. At 5'11, 175 lbs, Dozier is a prototypical cover corner. You can leave him on an island, and he'll handle his business. Dozier is also a US Army All-American, and was (technically still is) verbally committed to Cal. After UW hired away Tosh Lupoi, Dozier opened up his recruitment and started taking more visits. I think we're a big longshot, but the fact that he is actually coming in for a visit makes me giggle like a 12-year-old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. I want it to be known that there's very little chance we actually sign him, so let's not all start puffing our chests out. UW looks to have a better shot, and there's a good possibility he stays with Cal. But can you imagine Montlake if Dozier de-commits from Cal after UW hired the guy who recruited him, and then came to Pullman instead? What a delicious bit of irony. Sark hired recruiting wunderkid Lupoi to help keep a fence around the state of Washington. And he picks WSU after being solidly committed to Cal? Softy's head might explode. Video Highlights.

Edit: After talking to a few people, it seems as if the only reason Dozier is even considering WSU is because he wants to play WR. I think he's a better CB than a WR (something I thought about Rahmel Dockery, too), but I'd rather get him than not. If he wants to play WR, let him play WR. That completely changes my evaluation, though. I think he can be a pretty good WR, but he's behind Lawler, Marks, and Lewis in this class. Better than Jackson, though. As a CB, he has a chance to play immediately. I think none of this really matters anyway. We're a pretty big longshot.

Kenny Lawler, WR, Upland, CA (4 stars)

Lawler is probably the most popular recruit amongst Cougar tweeters. I really like his skill set, and he's a bit bigger than the other guys we've been getting (6'3, 185). He's more of a Marquess Wilson than a Wes Welker. Personally, I think Lawler winds up at Oregon State. However, he had an in-home visit with Coach Leach and staff the other day and enjoyed it so much that he cancelled a visit to Oklahoma State in order to trip to Pullman. Lawler already said he's not announcing until Signing Day, but if he puts on a WSU cap on February 1st, I shall take many shots in his honor. Lawler is a burner that makes it look easy. He'd be an outside receiver, and I wouldn't be shocked to see three true freshman get major playing time in 2012 (if he commits). I love Dockery, and Mark loves Lewis, but if we get Lawler, it's game over. If not? He's going to destroy us for four years. Idea for new CougCenter header: ALL YOUR PANTS ARE BELONG TO KENNY LAWLER! Video Highlights.

Carlos Lozano, OT, East Los Angeles JC (2 stars)

Carlos Lozano is a gigantic human being. At 6'7 and 375 pounds, he might actually be too big. I worry that his weight limits him from a mobility standpoint. I think he gets good push, but he's 375 pounds playing JC football. He needs to get his weight down, but who knows? I'd rather take a shot on Goliath than David.

"One of the guys visiting this weekend is 6'7 and 375 pounds." - me

"I honestly don't even know how to compute that." - Mrs. Kyle

That pretty much says everything you need to say about Lozano. Video Highlights.

Alphonso Marsh, CB, Compton, CA (3 stars)

Marsh is another favorite of Cougar tweeps everywhere. At 6'2 and 175 lbs, he's rather large for a corner. I don't know if they're thinking about moving him to safety, but if he stays at corner, I'm cool with that. His backpedal is nice, and he needs to work a little on becoming more fluid in regards to his hips, but otherwise, I see a solid CB. I think if he puts on a little weight, he has a chance to be a special player at safety. Plus, I hate you, Tyree Toomer. Marsh is also considering Hawaii, Utah, and UW. Video Highlights.

Teko Powell, DT, Miami, FL (2 stars)

Powell is a teammate of Feddie Davey at Miami Norland, and they're coming together. Powell is a big kid (6'2, 290) and we need DTs in the worst way. Ok, maybe not in the worst way, but we aren't exactly deep at DT. I like Powell, and think he can be a good role player. Not every recruit needs to be the next big thing. If Breske plans on rotating a bunch of players in a bunch of different defensive schemes, Powell can come in for a series as a NT or in some crazy alignment, then be replaced by David Davis or Toni Pole. Also, his nickname is apparently "TKO". I know I said I hate the obsession with giving people nicknames, but that's a pretty awesome nickname. Powell excels at rushing the passer from the interior, and can be brought in as a situational pass rusher as well. Like this kid a lot. Not too flashy or anything, but a real solid player. Video Highlights.

So there you have it, folks. Three players already verbally committed visiting with six players the staff is hopeful of signing. If we somehow get Dozier, I will lose my mind. If we get Lawler, I will buy everyone a drink. If we get both? I might RUN to Pullman and kiss Mike Leach on the mouth. Seriously guys. In the span of less than two months, we went from guys who had no BCS offers to US Army All Americans coming in for an official visit?

MIKE LEACH FOR EMPEROR OF THE WORLD.

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Would be great to land Ford

Check his offer sheet out: http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4713756

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by Fractal on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. I really hope we get Ford. He has some serious CB skills.

http://youtu.be/H0ilm9Myjzo
If he adds a inch in height and adds weight I think he could be an all-Pac12 kind of corner.

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by SoCalCoug on Jan 20, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He has some crazy speed.

I read an article where he says he went to UCLA’s camp and ran a 4.38 40. They had him run it again and he ran 4.36.

by Mark Sandritter on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

According to whom?

He’s not listed at Scout. He’s not listed at Rivals. In fact, he’s not even listed as being interested in us on either site.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Potentially not verified

I think this comes from a tweet from Kenny Lawler’s dad in which he referred to the ex-SMU verbals who had committed to WSU already, said that “Robert Ford” was “close,” and that Kenny Lawler was visiting this weekend. Presumably, Kenny’s dad meant Raymond Ford — nobody can locate a “Robert Ford.”

There’s also some discussion of this on the premium board on Cougfan, including Brandon Huffman saying that Raymond Ford is now interested in WSU, but I can’t find anything more authoritative about him visiting this weekend.

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by Fractal on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

There is this from a Rivals guy.
Raymond Ford and Alphonso Marsh expected to be at #WashingtonState this weekend with many others.

Link

by Mark Sandritter on Jan 20, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

According to Adam Gorney

Rivals rarely updates their visitors stuff and scout is usually a day or so late after their own people have tweeted stuff. I guess it takes more time to update the visitors database than tweet, and people who care will follow the tweets.

www.twitter.com/nashcoug

by AirRaidCoug on Jan 20, 2012 2:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We're on the same page

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by Fractal on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope they like snow

The weather is bad out here folks…really bad. It’s supposed to be above freezing with precipitation all weekend. We had tons of snow in the past couple days and it’s just melting into sidewalk soup. Walking to class and work today sucked. I wish these guys could have seen the past few days where Pullman was a winter-wonderland.

by WinOrLoseCougsBooze on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, this sucks

Unfortunate timing, but the recruiting calendar is when it is. Starting next year, we can hopefully be bringing in players of this caliber for OVs much earlier in the cycle (I suggest September … sundresses).

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by Fractal on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. That is the first time I have seen Powell's video.

I know it is highlights, but the guy looks like a beast. He has a great first step. I bet if he was in WA he would be a 3-4star recruit. I find it hard to see him as a 2-star DT. Are his grades in question or something?

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by SoCalCoug on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

Less talented pool of players to compare him to, I guess

That’s just be spit-balling. I think he’s a 3 star, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near a 4 star. I like him, but I don’t love him.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't mean to hi-jack. But that's just not true at all.

Washington HS Football has some great teams, it may not be as loaded with D1 talent as California but on the other hand it is a numbers game. And the only sample we have year in and year out is Bellevue playing teams from there and they crush the top teams in Cali just the same as they crush the tops teams from Washington. Also high school ball has a lot more to do with coaching, than pretty much any other level because so many kids are just starting to play the game.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 20, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not?

They don’t produce a lot of D1 talent, and they play Cali schools all the time. Any WA team- destroyed by Bellevue, good to great Cali team- destroyed by Bellevue. Other examples: The top half of teams in Kingco 4A and 3A, same with the GSL, possibly others but those are the only leagues I’ve seen a lot of.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Bellevue produces alot of kids at the college level

they are not all D1 talent but about 10 kids from each class from Bellevue go on to play college football

by WinOrLoseWeStillBooze on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I played for the Bellevue coach, before he was at Bellevue

Bainter was a hell of a coach, he even got me some collegiate interest, and I’d have no business playing at the next level.

by DemonDes on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

but thats not how their rankings work

The stars are based on national rank, not regional.

by Blackie1829 on Jan 20, 2012 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

But if Player A in Washington is going against weaker competition than Player B in Florida

won’t he then look better on tape? I’m not the one making the argument that’d be he more highly rated in WA, I was just hypothesizing as to why SoCal might think that. I don’t think he’s necessarily incorrect, either. Although I’m not sure if it’s as simple as “if he were from WA he’d be more highly rated”.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

it may appear that way relative to his competition, sure

But it means nothing about his quality as a player and how he is ultimately ranked by the staff of scout or rivals.

by Blackie1829 on Jan 20, 2012 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think the staff's opinion has anything to do with this conversation.

Rankings are predominantly for fans. Coaches don’t really care about stars. I disagree that it means nothing. Does it carry a huge weight? No, probably not. But to easily dismiss it as not mattering is wrong.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

lets back up

To say that scout or rivals would make him a 4 star if he was a Washington kid is wrong.

by Blackie1829 on Jan 20, 2012 3:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It is not wrong.

As Kyle has said these rankings are not that accurate and that is why I said he could be a 3 or 4 star in WA. Also look how many NFL players are out of CA, FL and TX. How many players in the NFL are out of WA? Maybe a hand full. How many 1st round draft picks in the NFL were 2 or 3-star recruits out of high school? I bet there is quite a few. If these ranking were correct the NFL 1st round should be full of all 5-star recruits. Also how many 5-star recruits out of Washington have washed out? Wasn’t Jake Heaps the #1 QB in the nation? Kasen Williams was a 5-star recruit and the #2 WR in the nation and after his freshman year at UW I think he was ranked to high. He is good, but not #2 in the nation. I would put Marquess Wilson a 3-star WR from CA in front of him. Also, the best freshman WR last year Marqise Lee (USC) was rated the #3 safety in the nation and he is much, much better than Kasen. So I don’t think it is out of the question to say Powell could be a 4-star in WA, because we all know these ranking are all over the place.

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by SoCalCoug on Jan 20, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

my last words on this

Taking the same athlete and putting him in a different geographic area does not make him a higher or lower rated player. His measurables and abilities are a constant, and he would be objectively ranked the same.

None of your comment after your first sentence is even on point to this disagreement.

by Blackie1829 on Jan 20, 2012 5:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Take for example ...

John Fullington. We can use the big fish/small fish comparison by looking at the level of competition alone in Washington.

John Fullington was rated much lower than his talent should have despite the level of competition he was playing against. Had he played for a 4A team instead of a 1A team, his rating would’ve been much higher. But because he was in a small system where his talent shined over sub-par talent it was hard to give him a grade equal to what he deserved.

I don’t think SoCalCoug is saying there isn’t players in Washington that are as good as California, Florida, Texas, he’s just saying that if you took a player from there that’s good, it’s likely you can give him an extra star if he played in Washington against less quality of competition.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 20, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I don't think you're making the right comparisons.

John Fullington would be an example as to why he wouldn’t be more highly rated. Also, Fullington isn’t some all-conference stud.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

If Fullington played at Gonzaga Prep ...

Had Fullington played at Gonzaga Prep, he would’ve been ranked higher. He was all state at the 2A level in a small league playing in Belfair, WA. He would’ve been all state on the 4A level had he played at a big high school in WA.

Being an all-conference stud now has no bearing on the argument as there are several 4 star players from the same class who have failed miserably and came from major high school programs.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

But the comparison is probably wrong

Now that I think about it, I should’ve used an example like Marquess Wilson who slips through the crack in California yet would’ve been a major stud in Washington.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He's still probably our best offensive lineman.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, fine.

But I never said that. The original comment was made by SoCal, not me. I simply suggested a reason as to why he was thinking that. I never said I 100% agree. I think there’s a difference between “he could be a 3 or a 4 star in WA” to “To say that scout or rivals would make him a 4 star if he was a Washington kid is wrong.” No one ever said definitively that he would be a 4 star. I think the point SoCal was trying to make was that he should be rated higher. That’s it.

Do I think he’d be a 3 star instead of a 2 star if he played somewhere against weaker competition? Maybe. I don’t think there’s a world of difference between Powell being a 2 star and a 3 star. He’s currently the 124th ranked DT, and the lowest 3 star is rated as the 101st best DT. You’re being too black and white with this. I don’t think anyone ever said anything definitively. It was all sort of hypothetical conversation.

Also, Scout is based in the West Coast, so they always evaluate player from the West better. Rivals is Texas and East Coast. You wanna know what Rivals has him at? 3 stars.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

this is wheelhouse stuff here

“Also, Scout is based in the West Coast, so they always evaluate player from the West better. Rivals is Texas and East Coast.”

Both services use talent evaluators who are regionally based, and compile the data nationally. Where their headquarters are currently based is irrelevant.

You were defending him to an extent so I took it back to be clear what I was arguing. I’m not disputing whether or not the ranking is accurate. And socalcoug was pretty definitive in his statement – not 100% but close enough to be called out on it based on the angle he was taking.

by Blackie1829 on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it has to be hard to rank player according to the competition they are playing.

It has to be hard to gauge it. One thing is for sure a phenomenal player jumps of the screen in any region, after that it is a tough call, but I would gladly take a 3-star out of the LA, Texas, Florida region than I would out of WA or Oregon. These recruiting services try and do there best to rank players national, but that has to be hard.

For instance here is Zaheer Webb #71 a 2-star DT from Lakes. He looks like a better OG than a DT, his DT highlights are not even close to Powells. I think #58 makes more defensive plays in this video than him. Also, usually 2-star DT become O-Lineman and I don’t think this is the case with Powell.
http://youtu.be/xuevJXgpvmE

Here is Josh Mitchell a 3-Star DT who may play O-Line at Oregon St. Mt. Si is in the 2A/3A league. He is pretty quick and I would put Powell more in his category if not higher.
http://youtu.be/oyVUeBKoQTg

Watch Powell then watch those two videos. Powell gets some major push and has a really quick first step. It is pretty obvious. Powell plays in a pretty good league. His HS is ranked #4 in the state of Florida and #19 nationally. They face good competition.

Just look at the list of WA recruits. (actually to look at the ranked WA recruits, find Zach Banner and click on WA, I think it is like the 3rd or 4th page.
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&yr=2012

Here is the list of Florida recruits. (actually you have to find a Florida recruit and click on FL)
LOOK AT ALL THE FREAKIN LEGIT DTs IN FLORIDA!
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=88&yr=2012
Not all the Florida schools can take every player, so good players go to out of state schools. I can see why Powell got ranked as a 2-star, look at all the talent in that state. There is at least five 5-star DTs and 15 4-star recruits. Sheesh. It has to be hard to compare a DT in the state of WA to a DT in the state of Florida.

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by SoCalCoug on Jan 20, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't find any video on him

Do you know of any?

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by PullManiac on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahahahaahahahahahaha

There is something about being a cougar.

by BenisSCOTUS on Jan 20, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey kyle if your still here

have you heard anything at all about mike’s staff recruiting for next year? WSU could use a head start on recruiting as this year is close to being finished. (for example how UW has 2 commits for 2013 and wsu has none) Not a do or die just a head start is always nice. We only have so many recruits we can look at for this year so he should have some extra time to visit juniors?

There is something about being a cougar.

by BenisSCOTUS on Jan 20, 2012 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

well we have what, 21 commits?

we could maybe get 1 commit from this weekend, possibly 2 in a best case.. it would only leave 2-3 spots left, can mike leach and his rec. coordinator take care of that while his scouts and assistants work on 2013?

There is something about being a cougar.

by BenisSCOTUS on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think 2013 is life or death at this point.

It doesn’t make sense to worry about that at this juncture.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Those two to three spots will probably be left open for the top guy.

I’m sure the staff will be going all out to secure them, in home’s, phone calls, whatever is permitted. A lot of time to work on 2013, camps pick up in spring and summer that is when the first big push happens.

by Mark Sandritter on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

very true

still early commits sound nice.. but getting a kenny lawler or cozier is the main concern right now. Cant wait for Feb. 1st

There is something about being a cougar.

by BenisSCOTUS on Jan 20, 2012 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

Doesn't location have something to do with it also?

Around these parts, a man could get hurt for wearing purple.

by PullManiac on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot -- if not all -- of the ads are from google ads...

They get information from e-mails, searches, documents, anything else that you may have on google. They may not “share” this data with others, but you can bet your butt that they use it for targeting ads. I’m sure they have data that correlates this ad to you.

by Samsinite on Jan 20, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

So, 206Coug should not be shocked to see advertisements about a university that has a 206 zip code

I’ll bet the person who hase the moniker 509Husky gets pretty annoyed too because I alway see WSU adds.

Around these parts, a man could get hurt for wearing purple.

by PullManiac on Jan 20, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, 206 is an area code.

But I get your point. I live in the Bothell/Mill Creek area, and seeing how there’s a UW campus in Bothell that could definitely be why.

by 206Coug on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I too live in Bothell.

I went to Cascadia, so I was constantly getting UW-B ads. Then I got Adblock Plus.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 21, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm, yeah that's possible.

I was on a job search a few months ago. And I might have looked up some business schools a while back. I’m officially creeped out by the Internetz.

by 206Coug on Jan 21, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Chrome

It also has adblock and I don’t miss ads at all.

by akiligar on Jan 20, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I use Chrome.

Can’t stand IE, or FIrefox for that matter anymore. So I’m guessing there’s like an ad-blocker extension for Chrome?

by 206Coug on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love to land Marsh and play him at corner rather than safety.

After watching Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner all season, I’m pretty infatuated with the concept of big physical corners. And Lozano, all I see is a Mt. Cody redux.. It’s exciting to be in on so many top flight recruits again after years of bringing in MWC level talent.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 20, 2012 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

They would've kicked plenty of team's ass. Calling them MWC level is like

calling Gonzaga a mid-major, they aren’t. Did you see us play UNLV this season?

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 20, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

What is MWC level then?

Because Utah was until this gear, SDSU is and beat us…I’m not convinced our problem has been solely talent but coaching. Either way it appears we’re quickly improving both.

by klokkins on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Of course it is both.

What do you Utah and TCU have in common? Excellent coaches.
My point is we clearly haven’t been bringing in Pac-12 caliber talent consistently, it’s been more along the lines of that of a mid-major. That coupled with bad coaching leads to bad results. The guys Leach has brought in so far appear to be better than what Wulff was bringing in and more in line with our conference bretheren.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 20, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

With Lozano all you see is a Mt. Cody redux?

Maybe in terms of sheer size. Not that they aren’t planning on moving him to NT, but for now, he’s on the OLine. Also, Terrence Cody is about 100x more athletic than Lozano. I think Lozano is a huge project and someone who would need a lot of time to pan out.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 21, 2012 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Not only that, he's too tall

NT’s aren’t 6’7" regardless of how much they weigh. 6’4" seems to be the tallest, while 6’ to 6’2" seem to be the more preferred height for a NT. It’s a leverage issue. The taller you are the less leverage you can get against the center/guards.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 21, 2012 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say right now. I'm talking potential.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 22, 2012 2:31 AM PST up reply actions  

And I'm saying he's not even in the same universe as Cody.

He’s a 375 lb OLineman JC transfer with 3 to play 2. Terrence Cody was a 1st Team All American and a 2nd round pick.

I understand it’s easy to see a comparison because they’re both so big, but it’s not there.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 22, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Cody was lazy, is Lozano?

I wouldn’t compare the two because they play different positions. But the one thing that was terrible to watch with Terrance Cody was his lack of desire. If he had the desire he could be the most dominant DT in the NFL, but he doesn’t therefore he looks good on some plays when he wants to. He could have been a top 5 pick in the draft if he had the desire.

I don’t know enough of Lozano, but if he has nimble feet he could be a dominant guard or possible right tackle in Leach’s “wide splits” offensive line.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 22, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m not ok with calling out a player for being lazy or for lack of desire.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 22, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Cody was a JC transfer with 3 to play 2 in 2008.

Spitz swtiched sides of the ball mid career with a modicum of success. Also Lozano would be the only guy on the roster that fits the two gap NT mold. I doubt he is as good as Cody, he may keep playing offense. My point is he a massive kid who is very strong at the point of attack. Nose tackle isn’t really the most nuanced position particularly when you are playing straight up 2 gap. A switch wouldn’t be the biggest of transitions.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 22, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He's too tall

He’s 6’7" and will constantly get cut-blocked or will lose leverage to shorter Centers and Guards playing a 3-4 NT. If he played a 4-3 inside DT, then his height wouldn’t as much of a concern, but when he’s taking on 2 if not 3 lineman on by himself as a 3-4 NT, he needs to be shorter to get better leverage or one lineman will take him out by going low nearly every play and make his 375 lbs useless.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 22, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Cody was 6'6" he seemed to work out just fine.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 22, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Haloti Ngata is 6'4" and he's probably the best in the business right now.

Good technique and coaching can keep him low and from standing up all the time.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 22, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

6'4" or shorter

Cody is 6’4" not 6’6". Take a look at every dominant 3-4 NT in college or the NFL and they are 6’4" or shorter.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 22, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I know I'm not disagreeing. My point is when he was a recruit

he was listed taller. Kind of like guys playing college hoops always shrink a couple inches at the NBA draft combine or how guys run “faster” on their pro day. It’s possible he’s not as tall as his profile says.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 22, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Could Lozano

play on the defensive line? Red rover, red rover….

by james_WSU on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

he is too tall

to be on the DL, for being that tall he should lose weight and be a TE, but 1st option of course is OL.

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by BenisSCOTUS on Jan 21, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you familiar with a cut block?

Dude would be on his ass every play. There is no position outside of the I line that mr Lazano could play.

Thizz or die.

by mjkleko on Jan 21, 2012 7:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thats a waste of a DL spot

Unless you run a LB blitz along with the block. OL could work there way around it eventually so they couldnt do it efficiently.

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by BenisSCOTUS on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be fine with him getting cut down all the time. A massive pile in the middle of the line.

Also cutblocking can be negated, if it couldn’t teams would literally do it all the time. Cutting is only really effective if the DL is firing hard off the ball. I’d use Lozano as a 2 gap NT where the emphasis is more on read and react without giving ground and less on penetration.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 22, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Posting this here so as not to clog up the Sale thread.

You’ve stated several times that you don’t think Lozano is a particularly strong prospect as an OL in Leach’s scheme and I agree. This is exactly the reason I feel like a position change is in the offing. He isn’t a good scheme fit on O but Leach offered him and is bringing him in for a visit. The kid seems to have two strengths size and strength at the point of attack. We have no one ideal for the NT spot right now except maybe Pole. I really think if he comes here, he will be moved into the D-line pile for NT depth.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly don't think he'll amount to much either way

so why the hell not? I’m fine with him moving to NT because, whatever. If it works, cool. If not, meh. Oh well.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Leach mentioned 12 players were visiting last night

This list as well as Scout’s list only shows 9 players visiting. But Leach said he had 12 recruits in town.

Any idea who the other 3 were?

by jeremyb91 on Jan 22, 2012 6:59 AM PST reply actions  

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