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WSU Football Recruiting: Ioane Gauta, JC DT From California, Becomes Newest Commit

Forgive the tardiness of this post, but I prefer to spread out these recruiting evaluations. Plus I was waiting for Nuss to post his Aden story. Yesterday, Cougfan reported that JC DT Ioane Gauta verbally committed to the Washington State Cougars.

Gauta is the big, run stuffing NT that is a prerequisite to running a 3-4. He'll have 3 to play 2, and I don't think there's any way he redshirts, simply from the "holy cow we have almost zero depth at DT" standpoint. He also held offers from Hawai'i, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Oregon State. I can't tell you how great it is to type that instead of "He also held offers from Sacramento State, Weber State, and Idaho".

Star-divide

This is the place I'd normally embed a YouTube clip of his highlights, but none are available. You can go here instead to see some poorly edited video. Tip to future highlight film makers: if you have an extremely wide shot and pan out, you can't really tell players apart. Get close, highlight the player with an arrow or an outline. Then throw some rap music in the background while transitioning from clip to clip.

Gauta is the big NT that you want in a 3-4, but I wouldn't count on this as being more than depth. I think we'll rotate DTs quite a bit, and the fact that he is decent at rushing the passer bodes well. Ultimately, I think Toni Pole will be the guy for a long time, with David Davis as the #2. The rest of the DTs on the roster will rotate in and out, keeping everyone fresh.

Not a bad signing, but we're quickly reaching my limit for JC guys. I don't expect Leach to sign any more kids from the JC ranks, but if he does, it won't be more than one or two. We're looking at a pretty full class as it is. Gauta's commitment makes it 22 total for the Class of 2012. Now, that's not a final number, obviously, and Leach can play around with greyshirts, but I wouldn't be expecting many more players after this.

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In other recruiting news, Bellevue OL Jake Eldrenkamp has said he'll announce his college decision -- it's between UW and WSU -- tomorrow at 12:30pm on KJR with Softy. It doesn't take a genius to figure out this means he's 99% going to UW. Jake Worthen, a recruiting analyst for Scout, tweeted the following:

Softy himself also chimed in:

Consider me shocked. You mean the host of the show Eldrenkamp is going on is creating suspense by downplaying the UW inevitability in order to help increase the amount of listeners who tune in? NO WAY!

Look, I really like Eldrenkamp. I want Eldrenkamp. But I also realized he was pretty much UW's to lose from the get go. He grew up a Husky fan. His parents went to UW. UW's campus is about 15-20 minutes from his home in Bellevue.

By all accounts, Eldrenkamp is a good kid. I don't think he'd be doing this to troll UW and Softy. I realize people think he'd be legendary if he picked WSU tomorrow, but even if he did, it wouldn't be "legendary". He'd simply say "I'm going to WSU" or whatever. He wouldn't say "WSU! SCREW YOU SOFTY! LOLOLOL!", and as much as I hate Softy, he wouldn't goad the kid, either. Not with him in studio, anyway. I wouldn't put it past him to say Sark didn't want him anyways after he left, but I don't think he'll freak out on air with the kid in studio if he picks us.

UPDATE: Whoa.

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There was also a report that Lakes CB/WR Cedric Dozier had eliminated WSU and chose to re-commit to Cal. Those reports are premature. Leach is visitng Dozier in his home tonight, and I don't understand how or why a potential recruit would announce he is staying at one school when his other top choice is visiting that evening. Now, it's not to say he's going to go crimson. I've said all along that Dozier was the longest of long shots. The fact that he's narrowed down his decision to two, and that we're included in that two, speaks volumes about Leach. We're also one of the only schools offering him as a WR. I still think he chooses Cal, but it's not a done deal.

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Would have LOVED to get Eldrenkamp

But I think its pretty obvious he will be going to UW also. They can try and downplay it all they want, but you did a pretty good job highlighting all the reasons he will probably be picking UW.

Man it would be awesome to hear him commit to WSU on a UW radio show though.

by spokanecougar on Jan 24, 2012 2:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

It aint over till it's over

Would love Eldrenkamp but remember we got Alex Mitchell comin’ in as well as Dotson and more. Cross your fingers though

by Outlaw21 on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

I saw on Cougfan

that Kenny Lawler is making his decision tonight. The story was located under the Washington State forums. Is this true?

by WinOrLoseWeStillBooze on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

No.

He was saying he would announce if he got a bunch of new followers. It wasn’t actually going to happen.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Where's he getting backlash? Twitter?

I will punch something if it’s WSU peeps assuming he was choosing UW. >:(

by wazzu93 on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I kinda got that feeling.

Not that UW fans weren’t gloating, but I think it was more WSU fans saying, “Aww dammit.”

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I just hope it's nothing more harsh than that.

I’m not saying get off my lawn, but god, the nanosecond reactionary environment created by Twitter and the like makes me crazy sometimes.

by wazzu93 on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

100% agree.

Although I have seen some “he’s making the wrong choice!” tweets that have sense been deleted.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm hoping this backlash isn't personal attacks

We are talking about an 18 year old kid, no need to be immature about it.

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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there's clearly a difference between following on Twitter

And trying to interact with a kid to tell him how great he is and why he should come to your school.

One is simply reading what a kid is writing in a public forum. The other is creepy.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that he's not announcing with Softy tomorrow

Does that bode well for WSU’s chances? I mean it seems like maybe it bothered him everyone assumed his choice was going to be UW. Wanting to eliminate those rumors he decides to not go through with the original announcement.

I’m not sure, just thinking. What do you guys think?

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by Brett the 49er on Jan 24, 2012 2:11 PM PST reply actions  

Fair assumption, I'd say.

I mean, if he really were just choosing UW anyway, then who cares if people speculate? But if he wanted to choose WSU, the first thing I’d do is put out the flames. Not saying he’s coming to WSU now, but this is certainly good news for WSU fans.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly, just seems like maybe a move in that direction, but nothing definite.

Like doing your own pre-damage control. We’ll have to wait and see, I guess. Hopefully he makes the announcement tomorrow still, just elsewhere.

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by Brett the 49er on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll have to depend on you guys to tell me where Eldrenkamp is going

I’ll refrain from name-calling, and just say that the show after Levy on KJR is absolutely un-listenable, regardless of the announcements being made on it.

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by SpectreFCO on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

Just for everyone to see before it gets taken down

This is what Cougfan said about the Eldrenkamp situation:

Bellevue OL Jake Eldrenkamp headed to UW, unless he wants to see a grown man cry and/or start throwing coffee mugs and staplers across the room. News today that the Bellevue High offensive lineman will be announcing his college choice Wednesday on the Dave Mahler Show on KJR Radio in Seattle effectively means he’s headed to UW. He had narrowed his list to Washington and Washington State and recently took official trips to both schools and had in-home visits with both head coaches. He said he would keep his thoughts on it all quiet until the day he announced a decision, but news that he will be going on air with Mahler, better known as “Softy,” pretty well lets the provervial cat out of the bag. How so? Because Mahler is the biggest Husky fan this side of Sonny Sixkiller and his station is the flagship for Husky football and basketball.

Unless Eldrenkamp is taking PR advice from Charlie Sheen, there is one reason and one reason only to announce his college choice on Mahler’s show. He’s going to Washington. The decision isn’t a real surprise given his family’s UW allegiances and Bellevue High’s track record of rarely sending players to WSU.

I don’t think it’s anything super uncalled for or anything, but why even say this?

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

See, that is incredibly dickish if you ask me.

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if he picked one school and changed his mind and flipped based on stupid s*** like this.

by wazzu93 on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe he's a big WWE fan

And wants to be the bad guy by going into the den of the obese poser, just to piss him off. Unlikely, but it would be cool.

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by SpectreFCO on Jan 24, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would so do this if I were him

I am singing the quiet song...THE QUIET SONG... THE QUIET SONG!!!

by Solidcoug on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the person who wrote it is a jackass

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by Michael The Coug on Jan 24, 2012 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Hilarious typo on the "edit."
Edit: After this not news was published, Dave Mahler posted on twitter; “Jake Eldrenkamp has decided, as of now, to not make his announcement on the show tomorrow.”

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by Craig Powers on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

The last piece of this is stupid

Consider for a moment that the last time UW pulled from Bellevue was 2005. Without thinking, I can name two players WSU has pulled from Bellevue since then. But whatever, facts and details.

by Brian Floyd on Jan 25, 2012 12:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Remember Last year?????????

When basically all that was being talked about was Bishop Sankey… UW or WSU..
What a difference a year makes! Now we are mentioned in recruit lists with Kansas State, Ok State and have Top Recruits re-opening their commitments to visit Pullman.
Can’t wait to see what the Pirate puts on the field! Can we just skip forward to Sept.
Go Cougs!

by Coug1081 on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

Not by all Coug fans

I was excitedly writing about Sua, Davis, Mayes, juco Forbes, Monroe the early arrival from Florida, Dominique Williams, Meighen/Goetz and Paulo among others… Sankey wasn’t my focus, that was clearly not going our way and fans who were surprised weren’t reading the purple tea leaves coming from Sankey’s moves…

Let’s not get too carried away with the ‘every guy Leach brings in just better’ theme— Wulff’s guys were ranked 52 when he got canned. Right now the Cougs are at 60— some of the trade offs are a gamble, whether fans want to admit it or not. Not dis’n Leach, or defending Wulff- not at all- I love this hire- clearly Leach needs to put his stamp on this set. Just saying, the guys we think give us a shot a bowl, are the guys from 2009/10/11 who aren’t Leach picks.

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think part of the reason we have moved down is a lot of good prospects have

committed to schools that were behind us, more than the talent in the class decreasing.

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by kelly20210 on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

for sure

there are no guarentees. I have seen many of the newer socal adds in action. Jackson is a flat burner and Marks is crafty as can be. The 2 LB’s Pettway and Palacio are real solid- although skinny. But team rank is based on the overall star count divided by number— makes it a far more accurate barameter when comparing. That number has gone down. That means some fo the grabs may be a reach… like any other season.

For example Caldwell was a 2 star who was a Nevada guy— he replaced a bigger 3 star who is now going AZ St.. I know Caldwell is a good receiver, and I think that is why he is a verbal. Bartolone is a smallish 2 star WR w/o any ‘big time’ offers… the safety Davie, same deal— I agree that some other interest by ‘bigger’ schools in nice… but not essential for growth into a solid Pac 12 player. Coug fans have seeen numerous examples of this. Ewing is rateed a 2 but had a few offers… not positive that means he is better than a 3— that is all I am saying. He was loyal to to Leach’s guy Emerick- and followed him… that makes him aces to this old Coug… I like that loyalty. Anyhooooo- not running down this set in the least, just pointing out that many of the factors on which we so often rely in analysis are gleefully getting tossed aside for Leach fever.

Love the NT pick up however— Laurenzi, Pole and Clayton just got happier.

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

A big part of it is probably the system change.

The philosophy change on both sides of the ball has created some holes in the roster that need to be filled like NT, more athletic LBs and WR, that has probably led to the staff grabbing whatever talent is available to fit the system

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by kelly20210 on Jan 24, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely-

that is sort of what I meant by putting their stamp on it. The 3-4 will require a lot of guys who are tweeners, DE/LB hybrids… also some LB/SS style dudes too. Fortunately there are a few uper class guys who fit that bill on the roster already. I think Leach likes his WR’s all 6’0 or so— there is something to be said for making it hard to identify a particular WR in the air raid.

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

kelly20210 mentions it above

but the reason we were 52 when Wulff was fired wasn’t because we were actually the 52nd most talent class. We had ~20 commits. Scout values volume over average ranking. A lot of big name kids hadn’t committed yet. Now that they have, we’ve been adjusted accordingly. We were tied for 69th with Iowa State for a while. Then Leach pulled in Marks, Lewis, etc.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You beat me to it.

I was going to say the same thing. The other day a saw a good article explaining how classes are ranked. I think somebody may have already linked it on another post. I will look for it again.

by CougTime on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Team average^

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

But scout doesn't rank their classes on team average.

So team average is moot when talking about Wulff’s class rankings compared to Leach’s.

Also, it seems a bit silly considering Leach put this class together in 2 months.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me be clear- I am not denegrating the recruits

but the team average has gone down, not up, since the changes in the class. Since there are more guys now than there were when Wulff got fired that shouldn’t be the case. So it follows that if the recruits were worlds better, the numbers would be too, and ergo the team average would go up. It hasn’t. Thus my point that the mania for the ‘better’ recruits is more in the Coug fans mind’s and a blind faith in Leach, than it is in the Scout/Rivals rankings currently.

I like many of the guys he has traded out… it is an observation, not a critique.

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

But it hasn't gone down.

Lets take a look at all of the Wulff de-commits first:

Dalen Jones, 3 stars (no BSC offers, committed to Fresno St)
Maurice Bennett, 3 stars (no BCS offers)
Jordan Pulu, 3 stars (no BCS offers)
Travis Gardner, 3 stars (no BCS offers)
Terrell Davis, 3 stars (committed to Arizona St)
Fernando Villanueva, 3 stars (Utah only BCS offer, committed to San Jose St)
Rashad Jackson, 2 stars (no other BCS offers, committed to New Mexico)
Vershad Jackson, 2 stars (no other BCS offers, committed to New Mexico)
CJ Brathwaite, NR (no other BCS offers)

Average rating of Wulff’s de-commits: 2.44

Leach’s commits:

Keith Ewing, 2 stars (Arizona, Arkansas, Houston)
Feddie Davey, 2 stars (no other BCS offers)
Alex Jackson, 3 stars (Arizona St, Colorado, Iowa St, Kansas St, Oregon St, SDSU, Vanderbilt)
Khalil Pettway, 3 stars (Arizona, NC St, SMU, West Virginia)
Mike Bowlin, 2 stars (no other BCS offers)
Brett Bartolone, 2 stars (no other BCS offers)
Teondray Caldwell, 2 stars (no other BCS offers)
Gabe Marks, 4 stars (Colorado, Kentucky, SMU, UCLA, Utah, Vanderbilt)
Kache Palacio, 3 stars (SMU, UCLA)
Robert Lewis, 3 stars (Colorado, Ole Miss, Oregon, SDSU, SMU, Utah)
Niu Sale, 2 stars (Arizona, Arizona St, Arkansas, Auburn, Kansas St, Oregon St, SDSU, Utah)
Ioane Gauta, 2 stars (Iowa St, Kansas St, Oregon St)

Average rating of Leach’s recruits: 2.5

Total team average pre Leach: 2.42
Total team average with Leach: 2.45

If you look at the BCS offers as well, it’s clear which players committed super early. If Wulff didn’t offer those kids, I don’t think they’d be 3 star players. I don’t know if half of them would even be evaluated yet.

Basically, the class overall is still meh, but that has a lot to do with the kids Wulff already brought in (and a few JC guys who bring the rankings down).

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Just the fact that we have 4 star guys with interest though is a huge improvement.

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by Coug999 on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

As I said- I am talking about stars

and it’s impact on team average. Not sure I agree with how you count- Braithwaite was a dicey verbal and came right at firing time. His NR (which gets the average to where you need it) would be a 2 just like the NR kicker and the safety who were upgraded last week in Leach’s guys. Count them as the zero you give Braithwaite and it fails the test. But I do want to be clear that kicker is my favorite recruit — touchbacks are vital.

But that is neither here nor there. How does a 2.44 vs. a 2.45 negate my point? Which was that fans are going crazy about vast improvement, when the numbers don’t compute to vast. That was my point. Not deriding the new staff or the guys— as I have said.

Six 3 stars dropped- four 3 stars and a 4 star added. So far so even—

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

That's fine, but you explicitly said it's gotten worse.

I think that’s wrong. At worst, it’s stayed about the same. It’s improved so marginally that it’s basically moot. Also, I think you’re wrong about Braithwaite. Why should we discount him because of when he verballed? He was a Wulff guy, not a Leach guy.

You can’t simply discount updated rankings or you’d be discounting almost every player Wulff got. These guys were pretty far off the radar, and wouldn’t have been evaluated (or re-evaluated) if Wulff, a HC at a BCS school, didn’t offer them.

I do believe that the guys committing are better players. All the 3 star kids Wulff got? We were their only BCS offer. If we never offer Travis Gardner, I still think he’s either NR or a 2 star. Same goes for a few others. I guess it’s sorta pointless to argue about speculation, though. I’ll end with this:

Yes, Leach is bringing in better recruits, but only slightly, and in a very short time. His group of guys may be similar or lower ranked, but have exponentially more BCS offers which tells me more schools are after them. I’d rather take the guy a bunch of schools want vs. the guy no one wants.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like an ex-girlfriend talking about her new boyfriend

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by Solidcoug on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

None of this discounts what I said

which is that the recruit rankings and team averages don’t support the theory so often posited that the Leach guys are vastly better. It isn’t an insult to the guys recruited, it is based on their numbers. A 2.45 is decent by WSU standards, but well below the “best sets” for the Cougs which are around 2.7’s. I concur about the time involved and am not saying it won’t improve under Leach- I think it will.

Regarding stars- I didn’t include Braithwaite because I felt he was a transition recruit. You need him to have the numbers work in the tiniest of ways it makes it ‘better’. I think you know that if any time had passed and Briathwaite would have been a true verbal and not a guy caught in transition, he would be a 2. If you use the zero with him you have to use the zero with Leach’s 2 NR’s who got the same bump. In that formula, it has gotten slightly worse, and most certainly, as I stated, not ‘way better’ as the theme of the recruiting season has become. I am a huge fan of the skill guys he got out of socal- Jackson blazes- truly. And I say again this kicker is going to matter. I was just commenting on the theme that everything Leach touches turns to gold. It is amusing to me. Not by you Kyle, who study this stuff; but for example a 6’1" 215 Ewing, a 2 star is projected by some in here to challenge for playing time… a true frosh will just magically beat out juniors and seniors? Just because he had an offer from Arkansas? Come on. We need to hope he RS’s- he is little.

The mania is fun, but not fact based yet. In fact, if these same fans are thinking bowl- it diminishes the chances of that if a bunch of these kids are just going to walk in and play. Also- the upper class men are they guys who will or won’t bring a bowl… right? The juco’s are needed on the fronts- and perhaps a WR or two will play- but for the most part, these guys will RS. Dotson maybe too for PT, he came in early and is on the iron.

I enjoy the blind faith aspect of it… Coug fans are diving in whole heartedly. But discounting a 3 star because you ’don’t think he would have been rated’ is not numbers or ratings based… it is just as much of a moot call as dickering about a guy who was a NR and moves to a 2 based on the fact that he got recruited at all.

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 25, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think there are three things at play here

First and foremost is the endless optimism among fans that was brought about by his hiring — so much that no amount of rational reasoning is going to be able to overpower it. You’re fighting an unwinnable battle on that front, I think.

Second, I think fans think it’s a pretty good sign that Mike Leach is pulling kids who are of at least the same quality as Wulff’s guys in only a matter of weeks, rather than the months and months Wulff’s staff needed to build relationships. Some are extrapolating that out to, “Just imagine what he can do if he’s got months!” That may or may not be sound logic, but like I said … logic isn’t really considered paramount at this point.

Lastly, I think fans are excited about the fact that we’re even in the conversation for some kids that would have never had Wulff and WSU on their radar. Just that mere fact alone — regardless of whether Leach can land them — represents a substantial upgrade to most people. And again, I believe the thinking is the same: If he can get in these guys’ living rooms in weeks, even if he doesn’t land them, surely he’ll be landing some of them when he’s had the time to truly recruit them. Being in the conversation is perceived as better, even if the net result is the same.

I don’t think I believe all of this — I think there’s a certain amount of hype going on with the recruits, too. The thought of playing for Leach is exciting and fresh. But if the team goes 6-6 (or, God forbid, worse) the next two years, you’re probably not going to see this continue.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It feels good reading this too, Kyle.
I can’t tell you how great it is to type that instead of “He also held offers from Sacramento State, Weber State, and Idaho”.

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by kelly20210 on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

Eldrenkamp cancels announcement on KJR

Wow. There must have been some serious backlash. Hope it wasn’t from WSU fans.

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by SpectreFCO on Jan 24, 2012 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

Pure speculation but in previous articles he seems pretty reserved and maybe let himself get talked into the whole radio thing?

Saw how big of a deal it became, and how fast, and decided to pull the plug. A guy who doesn’t even want to give interviews to scout.com and the like after both his visits doesn’t exactly scream flashy, or the kind to announce on the radio to me.

Putting this guy in the same sentence as Charlie Sheen is pretty dumb and unless you clicked on the full article (which I originally didn’t care about reading) didn’t see the full explanation.

by klokkins on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I pretty much agree with everything here.

Especially after reading Brian’s post about how it went down.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What does our football program have to offer Eldrenkamp that UW can't?

Or are they about the same and it just comes down to personal preference?

by CougTime on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

The offenses differ a lot

the air riad will require wider OL splits and better athleticism from the linemen. UW’s offense bunches bigger guys and requires less speed than girth right now. I am purley guessing, but I would think the selling pont for WSU is more open field aspect of the pass block and the upfield release that emphasizes the OL’s speed. I have not seen the Bellevue kid, so I cannot speak to his skill set and whether any of this applies.

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know much about the depth of UW football,

but if our O-line is weaker, he may see playing time sooner with us rather than UW.

I think the amount of playing time and the chance to be on a winning team are two of the bigger factors in a recruit’s decision. Granted there are lots of other factors, I see those as the being the most common top two.

by CougTime on Jan 24, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Wazzu has a lot more too offer but that’s coming from a fan. The pride, the tradition, and Leach would be more than enough for me, but again, thats just me, GO COUGS

by Outlaw21 on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

WSU doesn't have a lot more to offer.

Neither school has “a lot more to offer” than the other. It’s simply personal preference.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It also comes down to academics, personal comfort level, etc.

It’s not just a football decision, as weird as that sounds. Maybe he wants to major in communications. That’s a big advantage for WSU. Maybe he wants to major in Business or International Finance. Big advantage UW. His parents also went to UW, so he most likely grew up rooting for the Huskies. Not that that is a huge part of the equation, because a lot of Cougs grew up rooting for UW, but I think it still matters a little.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

In one of the articles, Eldrenkamp brought up academics as a big part of his recruitment.

He for one mentioned the Foster school of Business when it came to UW and then the Honors Program at our beloved WSU.

I’d assume Jake has leanings to pursue a business degree and either way he goes I hope he achieves academic and professional success, even if he doesn’t do big things between the lines.

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by mjkleko on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't hold your breath.

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by kelly20210 on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

But I’m still gonna start sheening anyway

by Outlaw21 on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Was there any more recent

news on Alex Mitchell— apologies if it was discaussed at length elsewhere. But that guy really interests me… Rivals raves… scout diminishes due to grade ( I think). Is he coming in?

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by hollyweirdcoug on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

From all the reports I have heard he is coming.

I haven’t heard any recent changes. Rivals reported he is still coming on the 1/19.
http://washingtonstate.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=1089&script=content.asp&cid=1320752&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

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by SoCalCoug on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Mr Speaker..

I move that the Gentleman’s suggestion of playing rap music in the background of highlight videos be stricken from the record.

by Jeffster on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM PST reply actions  

The motion carries.

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by Coug999 on Jan 24, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Back to Ione Gauta

I love this recruit. He should be a solid addition to NT combined with Toni Pole. These two players should battle it out for the starting spot with Laurenzi and Clayton lining up at DE on base 3-4 packages. I’m not sure what happens with Travis Long as he’s a tweener in the 3-4.

Even if Gauta ends up being depth, it’s a good addition. Considering a lot of Samoan recruits both on the islands and even here in the mainland (continental US) struggle in school and end up on JC rosters because of grades, not potential, I look forward to seeing what becomes of Guata. He could be a wildcard on the defense.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 24, 2012 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

I understand what you're trying to say

but you need to be careful when making generalized sweeping statements like

“Considering a lot of Samoan recruits both on the islands and even here in the mainland (continental US) struggle in school and end up on JC rosters because of grades”

by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. It seems as though Samoans and Pac. Islanders are prone to be stereotyped

The other day I saw someone type something about the need for us to get more Samoans due to their “natural strength.” Insert several other ethnicity’s in this rhetoric and you’ve got a potential lawsuit on your hands. Commentary like this is what (rightfully) ended Jimmy the Greek’s career.

Thizz or die.

by mjkleko on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Part of it's based on fact

http://education.washington.edu/research/rtm_11/invisible-asians.html

“Pacific Islanders, often inappropriately lumped in with Asian Americans, originate in Polynesia, Micronesia, and Melanesia. They, too, comprise diverse ethnic groups and are a growing student population in the state. The research reveals that they are one of the poorest, lowest-achieving, and least-studied groups in educational literature.

The data on Samoans, the largest group of Pacific Islanders in the state, were especially troubling. Their drop-out rates were nearly 10 percent higher than for other students. One in three couldn’t pass state standards. Nationally, only 11 percent of Samoans hold a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 24 percent of the U.S. population.

“Our research shows that Samoan students want an education. The myth that they and their parents are not interested is not true,” says Hune. “But many students feel discouraged by negative stereotypes of them and the lack of support of educators.”"

Public education in the Pacific Islands and Hawaii makes it definite struggle because it’s poor to begin with. Hawaii’s education system is more like Mississippi’s or Idaho’s than Washington or Oregon’s.

So I wasn’t trying to make a derogatory or potentially stereotypical comment on Samoans, I was basing the comment off statistics.

by jeremyb91 on Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

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