WSU Football Recruiting: Grading The Class Thus Far
With Signing Day rapidly approaching, CougCenter is your one stop shop for all things recruiting. Later tonight, Mark and I will be recording a podcast answering your questions about recruiting, life in general, and R.L. Stine's Goosebumps series. Tomorrow, I'll post my Favorite Five in this class, and Brian should be along shortly with some recruiting links from the mothership.
Earlier today, news broke that S Taylor Taliulu from Hawai'i has de-committed and decided to stay home. I can never fault a kid for staying close to home, especially when we're so far away. Taliulu would have been a good player for us down the line. While this isn't a huge blow, it still stings. I really liked his athleticism.
QB:
Austin Apodaca (6'3, 185, Longmont, CO) [✯✯✯]
Overall Grade: B+
We've discussed Apodaca in great detail, and I think he's going to be a good player for the Cougs. With Jeff Tuel, Connor Halliday, Cody Clements, and now Apodaca in the mix behind center, the future is looking pretty bright for WSU signal callers.
RB:
Teondray Caldwell (5'11, 205, Los Angeles, CA) [✯✯]
Theron West (5'7, 170, Wilmington, CA) [✯✯]
Overall Grade: C
Caldwell and West both excel at different things, and I think Caldwell is probably the more well rounded of the two. West won't see many carries, but he is pretty good at catching the ball out of the backfield. His main skill, however, is in the return game. Caldwell is probably going to to be a more traditional 'back (at least, traditional in Mike Leach's offense) and will add depth to a very thin group of RBs. I don't think either is a homerun, but Caldwell does enough well that he'll be good depth for a while.
TE:
N/A
Overall Grade: INC
What ... what's a Tight End? (And no, Vaeao is not coming here to play TE)
WR:
Alex Jackson (5'11, 175, Culver City, CA) [✯✯✯]
Brett Bartolone (5'10, 180, La Habra, CA) [✯✯]
Gabriel Marks (5'11, 175, Venice, CA) [✯✯✯✯]
Robert Lewis (5'10, 160, South Gate, CA) [✯✯✯]
Overall Grade: A
Now, this not a completed class, and guys like Cedric Dozier or Kenny Lawler could still jump on board. If either of those guys do, this class is an A+. If somehow both do? A+++++++++++pantsoff++++++++++omg+++++++
Leach grabbed four guys who excel at making people miss in space. These are his inside receivers, and you'll hear a lot of Wes Welker and Danny Amendola comparisons. A guy like Lawler, though, is more of a Marquess Wilson or Michael Crabtree. I think this my Fave Five tomorrow might include four WRs and Mike Leach.
OL:
Denzell Dotson (6'3, 315, Glendale, AZ) [✯✯✯]
Sam Flor (6'4, 285, Seattle, WA) [✯✯]
Eduardo Middleton (6'5, 280, Oceanside, CA) [✯✯✯]
Pierson Villarrubia (6'5, 270, Mandeville, LA) [✯✯]
B.J. Salmonson (6'5, 265, Everson, WA) [✯✯]
Niu Sale (6'3, 300, Wilmington, CA) [✯✯]
Overall Grade: B -
While it's certainly no secret I love Dotson, I'm not quite as high on Salmonson or Villarrubia. If anyone greyshirts, I'd think those two players would be the leading candidates. I really like Flor. Middleton is going to take a little longer, but he'll be a good player, as well. Sale is interesting, and should help out immediately, at least in terms of depth. The class as a whole isn't bad, as there's only one JC guy, but two of the HS kids probably aren't talented enough to be more than career backups.
CB:
N/A
Overall Grade: F
Not an incomplete, an F. Did you see our secondary last year? We need all the help we can get. While, yeah, we are in the running for both Alphonso Marsh and Raymond Ford, I wouldn't count on either to commit. I think Marsh winds up at Utah while Ford goes to Nebraska. It's worth noting that Ford already eliminated us from his Top 3, but then changed his mind. He also said he knew which school he would be choosing after tripping to Nebraska. He later took visits to Utah and WSU. Recruiting is so ridiculous, guys.
S:
David Bucannon (6'2, 175, Fairfield, CA) [✯✯✯]
Feddie Davey (5'11, 190, Miami, FL) [✯✯]
Overall Grade: C -
Taliulu would have helped out, but all three are still projects. Bucannon, who is Deone Bucannon's little brother, played both ways at Fairfield HS. I actually thought he was better on offense, to be honest. He does like to hit people, though. He's a little thin for me as a safety, but a year in a college conditioning program will change that. I never posted my evaluation for him because it was right when I was first starting here at CougCenter. I was still nervous to post things. After I started doing everyone's evals, I figured I'd get around to Bucannon's and it never happened. My super quick eval: he's ok, he hits like a ton of bricks, but he's skinny. If his name was David Smith and he wasn't related to one of our star players, I'm not sure we'd have offered him. I don't mind the pick up at all, and I think he's an interesting prospect. I wouldn't count on him contributing from Day 1 like big bro did, though.
Davey is interesting, as he was a LB in high school. He's a little raw in terms of coverage ability, but holy cow can he lay the wood. I like Davey as a developmental prospect, and someone who could excel on Special Teams. There's been a bunch of new interest in him from teams down south. He remains committed to WSU, but if he chose someone closer to home, I wouldn't be shocked.
LB:
Jacob Tuivaiave (6'4, 240, Tacoma, WA) [✯✯]
Khalil Pettway (6'4, 205, Culver City, CA) [✯✯✯]
Kache Palacio (6'2, 225, Gardena, CA) [✯✯✯]
Keith Ewing (6'1, 215, Bellaire, TX) [✯✯]
Overall Grade: C +
Tuivaiave probably moves to DE, but there's a good chance he's the OLB/DE hybrid they're looking for in the 3-4. Of the four, Tuivaiave is the most raw. He'll need a lot of time to develop. Pettway and Palacio are more likely to see the field sooner, but both played DE in high school. Ewing is small, but a year in our conditioning program should remedy that. I still haven't seen any video of him, so I don't want to make any sweeping proclamations. I think all of these guys will see time at OLB and DE. I would have liked to bring in Jordan Pulu to play in the inside, but Leach didn't think he fit.
DL:
Ioane Gauta (6'4, 310, Fullerton, CA) [✯✯]
Destiny Vaeao (6'4, 255, Pago Pago, AS) [NR]
Robert Barber (6'3, 290, Pago Pago, AS) [NR]
Overall Grade: D
Gauta is the best of the bunch, and he'll probably be a back up and spot starter for his entire (two year) career. He's big, so that's a plus. We've talked about the kids from Samoa quite a bit this past week, but we need to understand just how far away they actually are in terms of football skill. Raw doesn't even begin to describe them. Vaeao is the better of the two, and he'll still need a few years. Barber could be alright, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
K/P:
Mike Bowlin (6'4, 204, Mission Viejo, CA) [✯✯]
Overall Grade: B
Bowlin is probably going to kickoff next year while Andrew Furney focuses on field goals. I actually really like Bowlin, and wouldn't be surprised if he took over the full time kicking duties at some point. Furney was solid last year, but I haven't been comfortable with a WSU kicker in a very long time. Bowlin actually committed to Oregon and was the #3 ranked kicker coming out of high school.
Overall Class Grade: C
While it's not as bad as last year's class, it's still not as good as many of you want it to be. The WRs are the clear bright spot, followed by some solid offensive lineman. When you compare what Wulff did in two months to what Leach did in the same time frame, it's not even close. Wulff was universally given a pass for his first recruiting class. Leach just said, "Screw it, let's swing for the fences." I'm anxious to see what he can do with a full year.
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Que Negative Nancy Comments...
Funny you rate it a C … GPA wise.
(QB) B+ = 3.3
(RB) C = 2.0
(WR) A = 4.0
(OL) B- = 2.7
(CB) F = 0
(S) C- = 1.7
(LB) C+ = 2.3
(DL) D = 1.0
(K/P) B = 3.0
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20.0 / 10 = 2.0 = C
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Argh my bad there's only 9 categories since TE doesn't count 20 / 9 = 2.22222 rounded up to C+ haha
Or you can be that mean teacher that rounds down ;)
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by Craig Powers on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair,
Wulff’s staff left Leach with a full class to pick and choose from, then Leach went and improved on it.
Doba’s staff left Wulff with three commits.
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by TiltingRight on Jan 30, 2012 2:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If Leach "improved"
does that give Wulff’s last class a Fail? The CB situation makes me nervous but the rest looks typical Leach so I wouldn’t grade it so low.
by SDG on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
*shrug*
I don’t know who else he was recruiting, nor what would have shaken out (as far as kids actually showing up). Maybe a D-?
I think Pulu was a player. Bennett, too. But I wasn’t overly impressed with this class, no.
Given the fact he started on the hot seat, and the team never made much hay through the year, I’m not surprised.
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by TiltingRight on Jan 30, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
#Stars v #Other D1 Offers
Bennett is now picking between Jackson State and Jacksonville State. Pulu may have an offer from EWU.
The whole # stars thing is kind of stupid really. But the number of D1 coaches betting their careers on who they sucker into attending their school is a much better yard stick.
While we all get enamored with the Will Derting and Rueben Mayes kind of recruits WSU has pulled out of literally no where, the fact that no one else has wanted most of our athletes is a) the best motivation I can think of if you’re a kid, and b) the best answer for why we are where we are for the foreseeable future.
by TheOriginalCougMan on Jan 30, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Bennett likely has grade issues
and Pulu’s brother is at EWU. He had other FBS offers (though I don’t remember if they were BCS offers).
My point was that from what I saw, I thought they had the potential to be good players. Not Will Derting and Rien Long, just good players.
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by TiltingRight on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Wyoming was really hard after Pulu
not sure why he chose Eastern over them, but I don’t really want to speculate grades.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I saw over on Cf.c that there was a video for Vaeao's (Got it right the first time!) Senior year.
Has anyone gotten a chance to watch it and see if that changes their opinion of his play?
While the CB situation doesnt look good
I wouldn’t rate it an F. I think it would be close to a D- or even N/R (for Leach). While the area is a big concern I would say that an F would have been going out and trying to get N/R or low rated guys just to fill that position. Leach has done a good job at seeing what was still available for him and making some pretty good upgrades in those areas. When looking at the CB position and what he had to deal with I think leaving those upgrades until next year with a full recruiting cycle was the better decision. We don’t need inadequate guys brought in using up scholarships that are not going to be an improvement.
The F was mostly in jest.
CBs are by far my favorite players overall, so I’m also biased.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 30, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
I thought we weren't going to play defense next year?
Just stack the Offense and listen to the words of the great John Madden:
"at the end of the game the team with the most points on the board is going to win."
If at first you don't succeed…
We didn’t throw the ball enough last year! I heard Leach is going to a TWO QB rotation next year to prevent Tuel’s arm from falling off!
by CougTime on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Good Post
This class overall might be a C, I’m not seeing enough kids to kick it up a notch or 10 to move off of our 95th place Pass Defense. To improve our Wins/Losses next year we need to move up to the 50th place range. I could really care less about offense, we were and will be good enough, even without Leach’s offense.
If you break out the Defense from the Offense in the class we’re barely a 1.0 average excluding a kicker on Defense. So I completely agree with you.
Most of Price’s classes were C rated in recruiting or lower, so hopefully these athletes can prove the recruiting prognosticators wrong.
by TheOriginalCougMan on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM PST reply actions
Fast-forward
Do you do a recruiting look-back? Did I miss the one for past recruiting years or are we forgoing those because they were of the forgettable Wulff years?
We're focusing on this class right now.
If people want me to break down past years, I can do that, too. I already did 2006, and boy was that an awful experience.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 30, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, I want you to grade this years class
But from a couple years down the road. Doesn’t cougcenter budget for a time machine? How do you decide on what articles to write? Why do a partial grade on the class just two days before signing day?
Didn't someone from Tech post on here that Leach converts WRs to CBs if they don't work out on offense?
Maybe I read that elsewhere. Either way I’m not too worried about the secondary – it shouldn’t / can’t get worse this year than it was last year, and our offense should be more than correspondingly better.
Thats what I was thinking
As much as I agree with Kyle that dedicated DB’s are amazing, if a lesser used WR wants to get more playing time, I’m sure he would be asked to give CB a go. And as stated by someone else earlier, I’m glad Leach didn’t make a desperate bid and grab a couple “good enough” DB’s to take more scholarships away from other much needed players just to fill the roster.
Maybe not.
Seems to be rehashed.
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by TiltingRight on Jan 30, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
If Lawler signs is he the other starting outside receiver from day one?
I know a lot of people are still high on Dominique and Kristoff Williams.
He would be in the mix with those two.
Kristoff has the slight experience edge but that would be a fun camp battle to watch.
by Mark Sandritter on Jan 30, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Gonna have to go from C+ to B. Kid had 23 sacks last year.
He held offers from Washington State, Arizona, UCLA, Boise State, SMU and others.
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by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 30, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Aggressive deviation from the meme
I like it.
I'm just as impressed with his offers from Duke and Yale.
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by Craig Powers on Jan 30, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not so sure the Duke thing impresses me
After one of their graduates married a warehouse in Seattle yesterday.
That's the easy part.
How do you consummate said marriage….
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by TiltingRight on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yo Adrien (Klemm)
Thanks for leaving SMU and time for a bro shout match between Leach and Jones after Allison committed to WSU today. That’s 5 players now we’ve “stolen” from him with Robert Lewis, Kache Palacio, Jeremiah Allison, Gabriel Marks, and Khalil Pettway joining WSU.
So... which was your favorite?
I did enjoy “Monster Blood” I, II and III… and who can forget “Say Cheese and Die!”, right up there with “Why I’m Afraid of Bees”. Also, “It Came From Under the Kitchen Sink!”
Probably my favorite was the choose your own adventure books though. The first book was a piece of cake because you just had to pick whichever choice was the scariest/most dangerous. They wised up and the next ones were a lot harder to get through.
Wait, what? This is a recruiting thread? I feel like I’ve been lied to.
So it begins.........
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by well you win some and lose others on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
There was actually no Goosebumps talk.
I’m sorry, I failed.
by Mark Sandritter on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Grading the Podcast Class Thus Far.
Goosebumps: Overall grade: F
by wazzu93 on Jan 30, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Night of the Living Dummy for me.
Although The Haunted Mask was also way up there. The choose your own adventure ones were the best. I’d always be too scared to choose the “go out in the woods alone” option, then I’d die in some funhouse or something.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jan 30, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Werewolf of Fever Swamp
I read it when I was in first grade or so, and it just about scared me to death.
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