Some respect for Wulff
by jeremyb91 on Feb 11, 2012 8:15 AM PST
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PrintESPN and other sites have been calling WSU's current football team part of some very "promising" rebuild jobs, in fact top 5 according to ESPN Insider. It's sucks Paul Wulff had to go, but clearly WSU needed something different to reinvigorate the fan base and Mike Leach has done that.
Now Leach will take WSU to a bowl game with Wulff's players and look great doing it. I have plenty of respect for Wulff and believed he inherited a terrible situation that put him in a no-win situation and thank him for rebuilding the program. It was a tough situation for him, but at least he did everything the right way and Leach doesn't have much to change in terms of academics and other behaviors from the team as Wulff had already "rid the team of cancers" in his first two years.
I realize some people don't want to talk about Wulff, but this post is out of respect for what Wulff was able to do and how Leach will be able to take what Wulff accomplished and make it even better. For those who have Insider access they can view the following read.
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An issue with the article
For our strengths and weaknesses he lists rush defense as a strength and QBs as a weakness. I appreciate that he thinks we’ll be one of the better rebuilding jobs, but he clearly doesn’t know our roster particularly well at all.
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Yeah he's definitely off the mark.
But the rest of the stuff isn’t anything we didn’t already know. This was a bowl team with CPW and will be a even better team with Coach Leach!
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He didn't list strengths
He just said the defense improved by so many yards from the year before and described the point total improvement on offense. Neither we re listed as strengths, he just discussed the fact the offensive and defensive numbers improved.
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by Shellin on Feb 12, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I gonna guess he said QB's because he saw that Lobbestael was our leading passer and has graduated.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 12, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Guessing he didn't realize it but we have one QB coming off a season where he played about 1.5 games and another with a lacerated liver.
Halliday probably won’t play this Spring, and we don’t know how Tuel comes back. That said, if both are healthy we may have one of the top QB pairs in the conference.
My feeling too
I know it was insider, but it kinda read somewhat like a Bleacher Report article. “Let’s choose 5 teams and arbitrarily stick them in a list with doing minimal research.”
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by Shellin on Feb 12, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Lobbestael had lots of potential
The blockers on his first year screwed him up with a knee injury.
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by well you win some and lose others on Feb 12, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
He could have been good enough if he had stayed healthy to be the starter for all of '09.
Which would have been nice because it would have allowed Tuel to RS, but I don’t think there is anyway he would have beaten out Tuel in either of the last two years. I like to think of him as the Cougs version of Seneca Wallace.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
With that, we would have a better impact on our QB.
But the O-line was the achilles’ heal to our QB program.
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by well you win some and lose others on Feb 12, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Should've seen that one
Oops. My bad. I just skipped that part and read the paragraph part. Now I look a moron. My post and I can’t even read the article!
The only thing our defense improved upon in 2011 was "not playing Oklahoma St"
by BigWood! on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And
realllllllllllllllllllllllllly slow pick sixes
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he just isn't impressed with our QBs?
Coug fans tend to over hype Coug players. One QB has a terrible record as a starter and the other is coming off a liver laceration.
Not unreasonable for an outsider to think there could be weakness at the QB position.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
It's unreasonable. Simply because if even if you are unimpressed by our quarterbacks,
which is surprising, this team has so many other weaknesses that are much bigger. For example; offensive line and secondary. It just comes off as lazy writing when you say the team with the 9th best passing offense last season using it’s 2nd and 3rd string QB for most of it.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
QB is the most important position on the field
And the guy who threw for most of those yards last year graduated.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Which is a pretty lazy way to look at it.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Not really
You have a new coach and a new system, with one QB that has a terrible record as a starter and another coming off a serious injury. Not sure what is lazy about that?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 14, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Both are coming off of serious injuries
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 14, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
I think this is the issue the author is calling out
… both are talented, but those injuries are serious and prospects for either next year are hazy as of now.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Doubtful.
These are not serious structural injuries that have the potential affect performance.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Especially sense Tuel's injury was on his non-throwing shoulder
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
All you have to do is go back one more year.
And realize that fault for said QB’s record doesn’t necessarily lie with the QB.
I get why you’re not surprised an analyst who’s not familiar with the Cougs would say this, but I’m not sure why you’re defending what is clearly a lack of research.
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by TiltingRight on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I was just playing devil's advocate
But I am also starting to believe the skill set of Jeff Tuel has been incredibly overblown by Coug fans who haven’t really seen him play since 2010.
Just not trying to let my expectations run will I guess.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
How so?
But I am also starting to believe the skill set of Jeff Tuel has been incredibly overblown by Coug fans who haven’t really seen him play since 2010.
I honestly think the feeling among Cougar fans is about right in regards to Tuel. Think back to August, if someone had told you then that Jeff Tuel would only play six quarters in 2011, how many games would you have said the Cougars would win? One, two at most? I don’t think anybody thought we could be as competitive as we were without the guy. No one expects him to be RGIII. However, if the Lobster and Todd Sturdy can have a great passing game, there should be a (justified) feeling that Tuel and Leach can be even better.
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I'm pretty sure everyone underestimated Loebbestael
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 14, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Better than expected
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
There was a lot of dome and gloom when Tuel went down and Marshall became the starter.
The dome and gloom was for a good reason:
2008-2010
1287 yards 7 TDs 12 INTs
2011
2584 yards 19 TDs 8 INTs
Pretty sure he did better than expected
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Spelling fail
doom, not dome….
/goesandcrysincorner
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Well I think we need to better define what was expected of him.
Are we talking going into this year? Or when he showed up as a freshman? Because there is a difference.
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I thought we were talking about this yera
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
He was a serviceable backup, but I don't think you exactly recruit people and give them scholarships with the intent that they stand on the sidelines their whole career.
And this isn’t a knock on Marshall at all. He served his purpose.
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by Coug999 on Feb 15, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much this exactly.
He’s not underestimated like NVR is claiming. He did fine. He didn’t do anything amazing, but he didn’t completely suck, either. I think that was about his ceiling, and what we expected from a 5th year senior.
by Kyle Rancourt on Feb 15, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
In no way am I underestimating Marshall Lobbestael.
If anything I overrate him.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
With a new system
I think everyone should temper their expectations for next year. That said, I think Tuel is probably the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the PAC in 2012, behind Barkley, and right there with Price. And since I’m speculating, I’d put him as 3rd or 4th best had he been healthy this year behind Luck, Barkley and right there with Price, ahead of Foles and ASU’s qb who’s name I can’t remember at the moment.
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by TiltingRight on Feb 14, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think your comment was what Tailgater was talking about
Only Cougar fans would think that Tuel was third best in the conference.
Ted Miller thought he would be the 4th best before the season started.
Here are Millers thoughts on Tuel before the season started. Obviously its not just Cougar fans who think he is one of the best.
If Ted Miller says it, it must be true.
Osweiler is being talked about as a first or second round pick. Price came out of nowhere to be outstanding. Noles will get drafted. There were many QB’s in the conference that will play on Sundays. Maybe Tuel will be another, but so far his press has outshown his actual performance.
His press was earned
Last season Tuel attempted 45 passes due to injury, not skill. His press deserved his performance in 2010 when he threw 18 TD’s to 12 INT’s as a true sophomore despite getting sacked 48 times.
WSU is known for its QB’s and considering Tuel and Bledsoe were being talked about in the same sentence is enough in of itself to say Tuel deserved the press clippings. I look forward to this year when he plays in a QB friendly system.
Well you said only Coug fans saw him like this.
Consider that refuted. Next season he is easily the second or third best QB in the conference. Besides Price or Barkley who would you rather have? Luck, Osweiler, Foles, Hansen, and Thomas are all gone. If you really think that Wynn or Mannion will play better than Tuel this season then I think you are in for quite a shock come fall 2012.
I think Mannion could give him a run
Never been sold on Wynn. Also, I think I’d probably like to have Oregon’s QB, too.
Really Mannion?
2010 Tuel: 60% completion 7.6 ypa 18 tds 12 int
2011 Mannion: 64% completions, 7 ypa, 16 tds 18 int
Other factors-
Receivers: Tuel
Coaching: Leach > “idiot”
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Mannion was sacked twice as less as Tuel
Mannion was sacked 24 times last year. Tuel was sacked 48 times and could have been a lot more if he wasn’t always running for his life in 2010.
If Tuel played behind OSU’s line, his numbers would have been substantially better.
I highly doubt Mannion could give him a run.
Mannion was also seeing his first game action as a RS freshman.
I’m just saying it’s plausible. People are going a tad overboard right now.
I would agree people are going overboard
Just because Leach has a QB friendly offense, doesn’t mean Tuel is going to put up big numbers this year.
I’ve said it before, but I’m very curious that after the spring and summer if Halliday actually wins the job due to being close to Tuel in the competition only because Haliday would be a longer-term starter since this should be Tuel’s last year (if he doesn’t win his medical redshirt).
Seeing Mannion start last season despite a more polished QB ahead of him makes me wonder if Leach will make the same decision this year with Halliday over Tuel?
There are a couple of pretty big differences
in our situation and Oregon State’s. One Katz was a junior in 2011, not a senior. Two, it would only make sense to go with the younger guy who isn’t as good, in order to develop him, if your team isn’t going to be competing for much more than pride. I think Riley kind of knew 2011 was a rebuilding year, and a season opening loss to an FCS school solidified that. Mannion replaced Katz after that game. Mannion was also significantly worse in 2011 than Katz was in 2010. I’ll add a third point Leach never replaced the incumbent starter while he was still on the roster, during his time at Tech.
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by kelly20210 on Feb 16, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This ignores the fact that Mannion was actually better than Katz from his first snap.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 17, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
In what way exactly?
Katz averaged about a quarter yard less per attempt and was less accurate by 4%. However, he also threw one more touchdown and did an a much better job taking care of the ball throwing 7 fewer interceptions than Mannion. Mannion was a marginal upgrade at best from Katz last season. I honestly don’t see much of a difference in there abilities. They both are not very good. Neither would start for most BCS programs.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
4.5% and a quarter of a yard per attempt are a lot, though
The interceptions are troublesome, yes. But Mannion outperformed Katz in every other respect by a fair margin — as a redshirt freshman with no game snaps before this year.
If you watched Mannion against WSU this year and watched Katz against WSU the year before and say you didn’t see much difference in their abilities, I don’t know what to tell you.
The thing about this conversation is that you keep saying Mannion was a redshirt freshman.
Well Tuel was a true sophomore when he put up better stats. Tuel was better at the same age and its not like he played terrible in his limited time this year. Why have expectations for him dropped from last year to this? He didn’t regress, the injuries are troubling, but they don’t diminish his abilities at this point. Tuel fits Leach’s system well, he is accurate and has a big arm. This and having one of the best receivers in the country lead me to believe he will put up big numbers in 2012.
Maybe you're confusing my argument with others'
I didn’t say anything to diminish Tuel. I think he’s going to be great. But I also really like Mannion and don’t think it’s necessarily a given that Tuel is clearly the better QB. Tuel doesn’t have to be worse than you all think for Mannion to rival him in performance.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Clearly Mannion played better againt WSU
and Katz played worse against us. Over the course of each season though, they are pretty fair comps. I realize Mannion was better per pass but turning the ball over 7 more times is a lot. Clearly the OSU staff agrees that Mannion will be better than Katz going forward but comparing their age 19 seasons to one another, it’s about the same. And more importantly compared to Tuel’s age 19 season they are both significantly worse.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
I think "significantly worse" in age 19 season is too strong for Mannion.
Higher completion percentage, more yards and two fewer TDs in one fewer start … much more comparable than you’re allowing.
Mannion less ypa and more ints
He also had a better oline. I really think you are underselling that he threw 18 interceptions in 11 games that’s awful. It’s not like he showed that he was exceptional at any point.
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And I think you are underselling his completion percentage
Throwing to a pretty terrible group of receivers.
James Rodgers and Markus Wheaton arent a bad pair.
Completion percentage is important but the most important thing is not turning the ball over, which Mannion does a lot of.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Not turning the ball over is not the most important thing.
If that’s the case, Marshall Lobbestael was one of the three best QBs in the league last year. You won’t make that argument will you?
I think you would drop back
and get the ball stripped. Although I have heard you were a pretty tough out in flag football at WSU.
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I remember my team got probably
20 warnings for tackling in flag football. We had a bunch of former HS players that still thought they were legit. I always hated playing way up on those intramural fields.
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Yeah not turning the ball over all the time
is pretty important when you’re a mediocre quarterback. OSU had the 100th best scoring offense in the nation last year despite having a top 20 passing attack and bottom 10 rushing game, just like WSU. Yet WSU scored 8 more points per game. That difference has a lot to do with Mannion’s tendency to make mistakes. So yeah not turning the ball over is pretty damn important. Moreover WSU QBs threw 29 tds last season compared to 12 ints. So better than 2;1 for us and negative for Mannion. It’s the most important thing by a mile.
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I call complete BS
WSU scored 8 more points a game because they played Idaho State and UNLV.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 19, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
That is not totally true.
If you take out the two highest scoring games and the two lowest scoring games for each team the average scoring for the Beavers stays the same, but the Cougs average scoring goes down three points. Averaging 5 more points a game is still a significant number and turning the ball over is a surely a part of that difference.
Of course turnovers impact how many points you score
All I’m trying to say is that picking interceptions as the best method to evaluate a quarterback is convenient to the argument and a little silly.
By the way, if anyone wants to make a comparison, how about something that’s actually apples to apple? Say, common opponents. There were eight of them. WSU averaged 23.8. Oregon State averaged 21.1. You could ascribe 2.7 points per game to a lot of things, right? Maybe that’s what extra interceptions are worth. Maybe not. In either case, you can’t make the argument that either offense was good, anyway.
And there it is.
In either case, you can’t make the argument that either offense was good, anyway.
The offenses weren’t that good and mediocre QB play, my point all along, was a huge part.
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I think picking a guy who is worse because he is younger is a terrible idea.
by Kyle Rancourt on Feb 16, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
How much better is Tuel than Halliday?
Given the fact they are both going to be new to Leach’s system it’s highly plausible after Spring and Summer practices they could be neck-to-neck.
Yes, Tuel has more game time experience and I do believe he’s the better QB, but a new system and new terminologies could give Halliday enough ground to get closer to beating Tuel out.
If they are neck-to-neck by the end of the summer then Halliday could be chosen as the longer-term starter.
I think the more important question is
who has a better handle of reading defenses. I think it’s safe to assume Tuel.
Also, do we even know if Halliday will be able to participate in spring practice? Last I heard, he wasn’t. That definitely puts him at a disadvantage. If Tuel struggles in fall camp, or at some point in the season, I could see Halliday becoming QB1, but until then, I just don’t see it.
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by TiltingRight on Feb 16, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Leach said he expects Halliday to be around in the spring
Asked if Tuel is the clear-up No. 1 quarterback, Leach said, “I look for him and Halliday to battle it out in the spring.”
Again
what do you expect Leach to say? That’s pretty much par for the course. You’re fixated on not using a senior, but look at Leach’s history at Tech. He’s fine with using seniors.
by Kyle Rancourt on Feb 16, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not fixated on not using a senior
I would expect Leach to say it’s an open competition, but as noted before these posts, most of the CougCenter staff has believed Halliday wouldn’t be practicing this Spring.
Because he’s going to practice, it could make things more interesting.
And I understand he’s fine with using seniors. That’s not the question here. The question is a QB in this system does better the longer he’s in the system (as well as any other system). If Halliday looks like nearly as good as Tuel at the end of the summer, choosing Halliday could be better long-term for the team.
To piggy back on all this.
I like Tuel and I think he is good, but there are people on here who a year or so ago said they think Tuel is a 1st round draft pick. I thought that was going a little far. Now people are on hear saying Halliday is going to be the starter because he played in four games and started two games.
Yes, Halliday did good, but it is a small sample size. Don’t get me wrong I also think Halliday is good, but we have to remember it is still a small sample size. Remember Kevin Kolb had some good games too and we will see what happens with Matt Flynn after his few great games. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket after a couple games.
Halliday’s career completion percentage is 57.3 and Tuel’s is 60.9. Tuel has 532 attempts to Halliday’s 103. Tuel’s completion percentage this year while hurt was 64.4 and 65.1 in conference. Leach values accuracy over arm strength, so Halliday’s strong arm alone won’t win him the job. Accuracy, grasping defenses and the offense will be the most important to Leach.
Tuel has also played in more dismal offenses (inexperience, less talent, bad line play) than Halliday. He had less to work with in year previous. This years offensive players we more experience in the offense. There are just to many factors to look at and then assume who will be the starter (or what is best for the team at this point).
My personal opinion is Tuel will adjust quicker than Halliday and will be our starter unless he gets hurt or tanks a bunch of games (which I don’t see happening). I had heard Lobbestael was getting the starts over Halliday because Halliday didn’t have the offense down as well. So, this causes me to lean towards Tuel. Another reason to lean towards Tuel right now is because he is in winter conditioning winning the respect of his teammates and winter conditioning is a big deal to Leach. I think Tuel has something to prove and has a lot left in him. We have a much larger sample size with Tuel. Tuel has more of a track record against better teams so let’s try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.
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by SoCalCoug on Feb 17, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know how I feel about you piggybacking
on top of this. Here’s why.
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by kelly20210 on Feb 17, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks. Now that is weird.
That guy is taking planking to a new level.
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I don't think it's accurate to say we didn't think he would practice
We merely stated that, at least, he would miss some very valuable developmental time leading up to spring practice. Tuel would have a significant head start.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 17, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Developmental time and weight gaining time.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 17, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Fortunately for you, so does Mike Leach
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 17, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Tuels' superior ability to read a defense
and his ability to throw an accurate out pattern, his superior escapability, his better arm (yes, he has a better arm right now than Halliday), and his sheer ownership of the team leadership role make him the odds on favorite to be the starter. I hit socal with a REC’D for his astute analysis. Experience is vital in the Air Raid- field vision; as the myriad options within the framework of simple play designs unfold, is critical. I think Mannion will be good, I also think he is lucky he doesn’t have Tule in front of him, because he too, would sit.
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by hollyweirdcoug on Feb 17, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Twice as less?
Half?
Two fewer?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Tuel was considered one of the best QB's in the conference coming into this year.
He had an excellent sophomore season and I would expect him to be one of the nations leaders in passing this year in Leach’s system. Also, while I am sure that the writer did exactly what you’re saying, when you are getting paid to write and you only are looking at five teams it is lazy to not look at the statistics of the backups on the depth charts.
You do realize the issue with saying "a terrible record as a starter" right?
And the new coach, new system? Every single player on our team has a terrible record as a starter. Every single player on our team has a new coach. And every single player on our team is in a new system.
So yes, it is very lazy.
by Something Snazzy on Feb 14, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
To further reiterate my point,
Even Halliday, who every Coug sees as the next coming of Christ, is 0-1 as a starter.
by Something Snazzy on Feb 14, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We have Christ in our team.
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by well you win some and lose others on Feb 20, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
He wears #86.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 20, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hi there
He was the starting QB, he wears the record, whether you like it or not.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 15, 2012 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Evaluating a pitcher by his record: dumb. Evaluating a QB by his record: dumber.
Evidence? See Hernandez, Felix. Tebow, Tim.
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by kelly20210 on Feb 15, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
TIM TEBOW IS A SAINT HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF HIM
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by Coug999 on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And now you've taken devil's advocate way too far.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 15, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe
But the fact that everyone just dismisses the article as lazy is just as absurd.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Just to play Devil's Advocate
I think you aren’t dismissing the article as absurd enough.
by Kyle Rancourt on Feb 15, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My apologies
I’ll never again question the abilities of a QB who will not have played a full game in nearly 2 years.
My bad!
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 16, 2012 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
This isn't about questioning abilities, it's about listing QB as a weakness.
While it may not be a completely sure thing, I think it’s going a little overboard calling it a weakness.
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Fair enough
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think any of us said Tuel is a sure thing.
I think we were all angry at how lazy the article was. If you honestly think QB is a weakness, fine. But you can’t honestly tell me that when asked to list two “weaknesses” that QB is one of the two. I can think of about 15 others before QB.
by Kyle Rancourt on Feb 16, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, thats fair
I think it would have been better labeled as “question mark” or “could be interesting”
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 16, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
No
Not until Buffalo Wild Wings opens
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 17, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
You could drive to Tacoma...
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by Craig Powers on Feb 17, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah......
I’m not doing that.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Question mark is certainly a fair thing to call it.
When I think of “weakness,” I think “the entire defense.”
Well
Minus Damante Horton First Team All Pac 12 ™
by Kyle Rancourt on Feb 17, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good I hope no one see's Tuel comin'!
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