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Ryan Leaf Calls Mike Riley 'An Idiot,' People Predictably Overreact

Let me start off with this: This piece is about two people I respect. But it's also about how even people you respect can make dumb decisions.

If you've followed the Ryan Leaf story for the past 12 months or so, you know that the former Washington State quarterback has gone far, far out of his way to own up to the numerous personal failings that led to his all-too-brief NFL career and eventual arrest stemming from trying to steal pain killers from one of his players at West Texas A&M, where he was a coach.

In fact, during the media tour surrounding the release of his book, I privately wondered to friends if he wasn't taking the self flagellation a little too far. I mean, how many times should a guy have to apologize for the biggest mistakes of his life? In public, no less?

Yet, there was Leaf, dutifully going from interview to interview, answering the same questions the same way, over and over again. I know this, because I listened to probably eight of them on various media outlets and read another half-dozen stories. Roughly paraphrased, it went something like this:

"Yes, I made mistakes. No, it wasn't anyone's fault but mine. No, I don't think I would have been successful if Indianapolis had drafted me, because the problem was with me. Yes, I really am doing this now because I want to help people not repeat my mistakes." Etc., etc., etc.

I had my fair share of run-ins with Leaf when we were at WSU, but I've come to respect the heck out of him for how he's handled his recovery. People can change. It's a basic tenet of my faith, and I believe that Leaf truly has endeavored to become a new and better person.

So when a story came out of San Diego this weekend about Leaf -- who was in Indianapolis at the Super Bowl to promote his book, 596 Switch -- I casually checked it out as I usually try to do. There are nearly 881 words that follow the exact same narrative as every other interview I've seen and read, and that includes the tone of the book. Those 881 words are frank and honest and responsible, as usual.

Then, there are the other 52 words.

Star-divide

"I know the Chargers made mistakes, but I made a bunch of mistakes myself, and I've got to take responsibility for that. I mean, Mike Riley is an idiot, but I can't do anything to change that. He wasn't supposed to be a head coach in the NFL. Why was he there?"

The quote stuck out to me, but only because it's so outside the typical response for Leaf as he's tried to own up to his issues. Predictably, however, it seems to be sticking out to others for exactly the reason I feared from the moment I read it. For example, here's Ted Miller's take, over at his ESPN Pac-12 Blog:

Leaf is not qualified to call someone an idiot. The life he has led, from an NFL bust, to blaming everyone but himself for being a bust, to pleading guilty to felony drug charges, to calling a truly nice guy an idiot, shows that his bulb continues to burn dimly. Saying such a thing so publicly only makes Leaf look crass and petty and juvenile.

First of all, this sort of a take doesn't surprise me; there are plenty of people who have a preconceived of Leaf that was formed a decade (or more) ago, and either A) No amount of apologizing is going to change that, or B) They just haven't seen or heard from him and have no idea that he very much appears to be a totally different person.

I would not expect Miller to fall into either of those categories, yet here we are. He's generally nuanced, reserving judgment, asking his readers to think through all sides of an issue. That he didn't do the same here is puzzling, especially when Leaf has been at this for a year now, even spending a full day doing the ESPN "car wash." I know Miller's based out of Arizona and not Bristol, but I would assume he watches the network and/or listens to ESPN Radio. Leaf was pretty impossible to miss at that point.

In fact, a quick search reveals that Miller is indeed aware of what Leaf has been saying. That he took such a short quote and used it to paint such a broad brush suggests he either falls squarely in Category A or was personally offended on behalf of Mike Riley. Based on Miller's response tonight, either appears plausible, and I'll leave it up to you to draw your own conclusion. (Although, I will say, if you've followed media for any length of time, many of them do indeed fall into Category A with respect to any number of individuals they have covered over the years. They tend to be a pretty unforgiving lot, unfortunately. Again, don't know if this is Miller or not.)

The worst part, in terms of how this makes Miller look, is that Leaf already owned up to what he said, via Twitter:

Notice the date? That was two days ago. It took Brian all of 30 seconds to find it. You know what else it took Brian 30 seconds to find? Context for Leaf's comment. You can listen to the radio interview from last week here, but if you want the short version, it turns out that Leaf was pretty darn attached to Kevin Gilbride, the head coach at San Diego when he was drafted. Gilbride also was fired six games into his rookie season and eventually replaced with Riley, whom Leaf just didn't respond as well to. (Obviously.)

With just a little bit of research, it's pretty clear Leaf wasn't insulting Riley's intelligence -- as Miller also asserted -- but merely his ability to coach an NFL team. If you want to dispute that on the grounds that Riley's a "nice guy," fine; I'll just go ahead and point you to the 14-34 record he compiled in three seasons in San Diego.

I understand that Riley will forever get the benefit of the doubt because he's won over so many members of the media with his "aw shucks" attitude and "little engine that could" program. I also understand that Leaf will forever not get the benefit of the doubt because of his past transgressions. I also understand that this quote is unfortunate -- even if it's actually true, which it may well be -- because it takes away from Leaf's current message. But as Leaf said ... #mistakes. We all make them.

So, just as Leaf should have said what he said differently, Miller should have done his homework on this one. I know Ryan Leaf doesn't need me to defend him; in fact, another common soundbite from his many interviews is that he doesn't worry about what people think of him because he can't control them -- he can only control himself. So while I'm sure Miller's take might sting Leaf a little (how couldn't it?), I'm certain he's not losing sleep over it.

But journalism is my realm, and this sort of thing, frankly, ticks me off. To continue to perpetuate the "Ryan Leaf as village idiot" narrative -- especially when casually chalked up to an over-the-top attempt to "drum up interest for a book" whose tone is so completely the opposite of this sort of quote that it's pretty obvious Miller hasn't read it -- is irresponsible, and terribly disappointing from a journalist I respect.

Here's the difference, though: I'm willing to chalk it up to Miller making a hasty mistake, because there's too much evidence that this is uncharacteristic. I understand Leaf's track record isn't as long, but it's too bad Miller couldn't at least measure his response by somewhat doing the same.

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I think it's easy to see how Leaf got attached to Gilbride, particularly when you look at his work with Eli Manning.

Especially since they just won their second Super Bowl yesterday, in case you somehow missed it. Riley is a good coach and done a lot with OSU, but he was clearly in over his head in San Diego.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Feb 6, 2012 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Ha!

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Feb 6, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't there some kind of writers code.

For instance, if you are going to write a inflammatory story shouldn’t you sleep on it first? Or do more research? These are people lives you are writing about and can ruin them in one simple article.

CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008 | @TheSoCalCoug

by SoCalCoug on Feb 6, 2012 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

It's ESPN

They just have to throw something out there as quickly as possible. Also I don’t think Ted Miller even has someone look over his articles before publishing them, you can find numerous mistakes and just wrong information on a weekly basis.

#Team Shark!

by WazzuCrew11 on Feb 6, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Bloggers usually publish without editorial review

And I usually find Miller’s work highly relevant, balanced and insightful. He just whiffed on this one. Too bad it was on a person I care about.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 6, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think he does bad work

I just think ESPN forces a certain quantity of work from their bloggers and that it tends to lack a certain quality to it.

#Team Shark!

by WazzuCrew11 on Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Another thing to remember about Miller

is that he isn’t afraid to write an apology article if he believes screwed up

Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**

by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 6, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh Ryan, you make life so easy for the media

Around these parts, a man could get hurt for wearing purple.

by PullManiac on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

Why so hasty to flame Miller?

Leaf is selling a book about atoning for that sort of behavior and then slips right back into it. People love stories about hypocrisy. Ted Miller writes stories for people.

Go Cougs!

by WSUcougar05 on Feb 6, 2012 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

Let's clear this up real quick

This is more akin to flaming. What was written here was a rationale response to it.

Hypocrisy is Leaf going on a bender all of a sudden. Hypocrisy is not a short quote about Mike Riley, especially given the context of it all.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 6, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

its all flaming

Leaf Flames Riley. Miller Flames Leaf. Nusser flames Miller. Oohhh the inhumanity! Ohhhh the entertainment

Go Cougs!

by WSUcougar05 on Feb 6, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean this?

Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**

by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To be honest,

the post I originally had made, was along the same line of thought.

Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**

by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe I had one or two of those at Shakers.

Also might have had a Mexican Flag or two. Whoever thought chasing a drink with 151 was a good idea deserves to be shot.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I lit myself on fire with a mexican flag

It was Mom’s weekend, my mom wasn’t in town, and we were sharing the table with some mom’s we didn’t know. I think I made an impression.

by 02Coug on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

My buddy made up a "flaming dumpster"

shot in honor of the riots and… well… the flaming dumpster.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Feb 6, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Why didn't Leaf call Kevin Gilbride an "idiot" too?

After all, you state that, "Leaf wasn’t insulting Riley’s intelligence – but merely his ability to coach an NFL team. If you want to dispute that on the grounds that Riley’s a “nice guy,” fine; I’ll just go ahead and point you to the 14-34 record he compiled in three seasons in San Diego."

So a 14-34 record is a “green light” to call Riley and idiot and pine for Kevin Gilbride to be your coach?

But what about Gilbride’s 6-16 record in San Diego? That .273 winning percentage is a few ticks WORSE than Riley’s .292 as the Chargers head man.

The lesson here? Don’t carry water for idiots. Leaf has ran virtually every portion of his life into the toilet… don’t bother trying to fish him out.

by Memotown on Feb 6, 2012 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

Nuss wasn't trying to "fish him out."

He was showing a fuller picture of the whole thing, including a mea culpa by Leaf.

#CougHarmonyOnTwitter #teamnopants

by TiltingRight on Feb 6, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This has nothing to do with record at all.

Listen to the audio and understand why he’s pining for Kevin Gilbride.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 6, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, this certainly is a memorable first post.

Thank you for stopping by. If you endeavor to not sound as shallow and ill-informed as the original author, perhaps you should actually listen to the audio of Leaf talking about the Gilbride stuff before popping off and sounding as bad as the author of the original piece — it was about style more than anything. You sound incredibly shallow and ill-informed.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'M "ill-informed"?

Hey Jeff,

You’re the guy who’s excusing Leaf’s ad hominem attack of Riley by referencing his record as an NFL head coach… yet the coach he’s praising had a WORSE record while coaching the same team?! How’s that for research or journalistic integrity?

Also Leaf – and yourself – fail to note is that Mike Riley coached his entire first season in San Diego while Leaf was on IR for a shoulder injury. The result? The team went 8-8 with two journeymen QB’s, and while Leaf was not suited up in a Chargers uniform. When Leaf returned in 2000? The team went 1-15.

Leaf can do all the revisionist history he wants, and try to sell the idea that he would have been a more successful coach under Gilbride… but that doesn’t match with history.

Leaf failed in San Diego with BOTH Gilbride and Riley. He then fizzled out in Tampa Bay, Dallas and Seattle too. Leaf then failed at being a volunteer college coach as well. Now he’s even failing at being a so-called “changed person”, by taking pot shots at a guy who’s been a successful coach for nearly 40 years.

I guess I listened to the interview without “Coug-colored” glasses on and heard the same pompous jerk exposing himself yet again. However this time it’s behind the phony veneer of a guy trying to sell a book about how he’s matured over the years. Leaf is the same as he’s always been, proclaiming he’s one thing, while publicly displaying the opposite.

In the end, the people that are shallow and ill-informed are the one’s who can’t see through Leaf’s facade.

by Memotown on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Not a Chargers fan.

Not a Beaver fan.

I replied to a comment with facts and this is your reply?

Now who’s “shallow and ill-informed”?

by Memotown on Feb 7, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

You sure seem to have a strong stance on a person you probably have never meant or talked to.

I don’t know if you are trolling or what because you just joined yesterday and have no record on SBNation to speak of. Over the course of a year Leaf has said one thing that was not good. It still does not make him the person he was before. People can slip up. I am sure you have said stupid things in life, but you don’t have a reporter or tape recorder there to catch it. Do you think Josh Hamilton is drinking and doing drugs every day? No, he slipped up and drank one night. Should we hate Hamilton for that? No. Leaf has his issues he is trying to still work through as well and he has to do it in front of a national audience. He is still on the road to recovery and is working on being a changed person. I have never met you, but from your writing you seem to be a very judgmental, arrogant person who has a hatred for Ryan Leaf. Should I judge you based on your posts on CougCenter or is there more to you than that?

CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008 | @TheSoCalCoug

by SoCalCoug on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure how posting facts that counter an article is "trolling"?

Let me make myself perfectly clear. The reason I commented on this article isn’t necessarily Ryan Leaf, but rather a journalist who makes a weak argument in support of him.

As far as I’m concerned, Leaf is no different than the self-centered jerk he was in San Diego a decade ago, or the drug addict he was a couple years ago. In fact, if he wasn’t selling a book right now, I’d expect that you’d hear much more of the guy who supposedly slipped up when he called Mike Riley an “idiot”.

You see, most people believe you’ve become a different person when you ACTUALLY become that person. Not when you pretend to be that person because the prospects of your book about how you’ve “changed” hold more value than your ability to throw touchdown passes.

By the way, is that lame Tweet (above) actually supposed to pass as an apology from Leaf? Not only that, but the writer of this article wants to chastise Ted Miller for rightly criticizing Leaf.

Not that I expect Cougar fans to be rational about this stuff… but I’ll change my belief of Leaf when I see some real changes, not phony interviews based on selling his book.

by Memotown on Feb 7, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

At least Miller qualified his statement against Leaf...

Or do you not remember this:
“Leaf is not qualified to call someone an idiot. The life he has led, from an NFL bust, to blaming everyone but himself for being a bust, to pleading guilty to felony drug charges, to calling a truly nice guy an idiot, shows that his bulb continues to burn dimly. Saying such a thing so publicly only makes Leaf look crass and petty and juvenile.”

Heck, even Leaf’s supposed “apology” where he qualified Mike Riley as “over his head” in San Diego borders on moronic.

After all, when Riley arrived in San Diego, they were coming off a 5-11 season where Ryan Leaf threw 2 TD’s and 15 INT’s as a rookie.

In Riley’s 1st season as San Diego head coach, Ryan Leaf was placed on I.R. with a shoulder injury and whined incessantly about wanting to be traded. But even with all those pre-season distractions, and the fact that San Diego used two lesser-paid QB’s… the Chargers went 8-8 while Ryan Leaf was nowhere to be seen.

Leaf returned the next season and the Chargers promptly went 1-15 (their worst season ever) with him taking the majority of the snaps behind center.

So the fact that Ryan Leaf, a guy who burned out in not only San Diego, but Tampa Bay, Dallas, and Seattle, would try to scapegoat Riley for his problems with the Chargers is a joke.

As is Jeff Nusser’s attempt to use Riley’s record as head coach as “cover” for Leaf’s comments. After all, Gilbride should have a better winning percentage than Riley under that logic, right?

by Memotown on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You keep coming back to what he said on Twitter

You do realize that Twitter is limited to 140 characters, right? I mean, what do you want — a 500-word statement? Because that would really, really, REALLY show how sorry he is?

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 8, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll come back to what he said on Twitter...

Because he never actually used the word “SORRY” at all – and that takes all of FIVE CHARACTERS to say?!

Let’s take a look at what Leaf DID say…
@_PayThePiper asked if he really called Mike Riley an “idiot” and he replied:
“Yes I did, I probably should of said he was in over his head & I was a Type A personality and we didn’t mesh well!!”

That’s NOT an apology. It’s more like a qualifying statement.

By painting Riley as “in over his head” and himself as a “Type A personality”, he takes no responsibility for his failures. In my opinion, there’s little difference between calling a coach an “idiot” and saying “he’s in over his head”… so why anyone reads that as an apology is beyond me.

Did he acknowledge he said it? Sure.

Did he make amends by qualifying the “idiot” statement? No.

By the way… here’s 139 characters (written by myself) that would have served Ryan well:
“@_PayThePiper I made a mistake, and I’m sorry for it. I have as much blame in failing as anyone, and I look like an idiot pointing fingers.”

by Memotown on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And then he apologized.

If you paid attention, you’d understand this.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 8, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Could you link that apology?

Or are you accepting a hash tag that says “mistake” as an actual apology?

by Memotown on Feb 8, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You seemed to know a lot based on a little.

You make you judgments base on what has been portrayed by the media, when you haven’t met any of these people. This comment is totally off base.

to blaming everyone but himself for being a bust
If you have listen or seen any of his interviews he has put this all on himself. He said he was immature and insecure and that he had an ego because of his insecurity. You keep pointing to all these things Leaf did prior to rehab and that everything after his rehab has been a hoax. That is complete B.S..
The only thing I can think of is Leaf has wronged you in some way personally or he let your team down or something.
If people don’t change then Josh Hamilton is a drug addict, Brian Bosworth is a punk, Chris Herren still does heroin and John Lucas is still a ragin’ alcoholic. People turn to drugs and alcohol to mask the problems they are having with their personality because they don’t know how else to work through it.
To make these sweeping allegations based of a few things portrayed in the media is very pompous. To stand so firmly on one side without knowing any of these people personally is looking at things short sided.
Also the fact that Tel Miller jumped on this so quickly is what is really strange to me. He must have some personal beef with Leaf. If he does he should not use his platform in the national media to do so. That is bush league. What he did is was hypocritically. Let Riley fight his own wars, he is a big boy, he doesn’t need a ESPN writer to stick up for him.

CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008 | @TheSoCalCoug

by SoCalCoug on Feb 8, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, you're the one who's missing the point...

Your issue with a so-called “classless takedown” by Miller has ZERO to do with your logic behind excusing Leaf’s comment about Riley.

You said:
“With just a little bit of research, it’s pretty clear Leaf wasn’t insulting Riley’s intelligence — as Miller also asserted — but merely his ability to coach an NFL team. If you want to dispute that on the grounds that Riley’s a “nice guy,” fine; I’ll just go ahead and point you to the 14-34 record he compiled in three seasons in San Diego."

Which clearly implies that a head coach with an NFL record of 14-34 (or worse) is worthy of being called an “idiot”, no? Yet, as has been pointed out previously, the head coach that Leaf is defending (Kevin Gilbride) had a WORSE winning percentage than Riley during his tenure in San Diego?! Under your logic, that makes him even more of an “idiot”, right?

Also, that 14-34 record is deceptive at best. After all, Riley went 8-8 in his 1st year (with 36 year-old Jim Harbaugh) when Ryan Leaf was on I.R. the entire season. Then went 1-15 with Leaf taking the majority of the snaps behind center… and 5-11 the following season (with 39 year-old Doug Flutie) after Leaf was traded.

That gives Riley a 13-19 NFL record when Ryan Leaf is NOT around his team, for a winning percentage of .406.
And a 1-15 record when Ryan Leaf IS with his team, for a winning percentage of .063.

And don’t forget that Leaf hurt Riley’s ability to succeed on several fronts:
1. The trade for the #2 spot in the 1998 Draft cost the Chargers two 1st round picks, a second round pick, and two current players.
2. Leaf’s massive salary (4 years, $31 million) not only forced the Chargers to keep him, but limited the level of replacement QB they brought in.
3. Leaf’s attitude (demanding trades, yelling at everyone including the GM, etc.) was no doubt a detriment to the team.

And yet with all this – Leaf still wants to pass the buck on why he (and the team) were as terrible as they were? Give me a break.

The bottom line in all of this is that Ryan Leaf has been selling this “redemption” version of himself for years. Here’s one from 2006, after he took the job coaching QB’s at West Texas A&M: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/aug/20/sports/sp-leafdog20

And just like now, Leaf said some good things (regarding his NFL career):
“It was the worst five or six years of my life, but I wouldn’t be the person I am now without going through it,” Leaf said. "I don’t feel bad for myself. I don’t pout about it. “It’s so over. I don’t even think about it at all. Everybody’s got some things that have happened bad in their past. Mine was just very public.”

And some not so good things (one being labeled the biggest “bust”):
“So if you come in the league and you’re a backup and never start a game for 15 years, do you have a successful career?” he wondered. “I started. I started in the NFL. But if you didn’t play a down, is that successful? I played. I tried.”

Yet we all know how Leaf’s experiment as a college coach turned out. A job, ironically, that Mike Riley has done for nearly 40 years without ever stealing pain killers from his players.

Leaf doesn’t need, nor deserve a redemption story at this point in his life – and he definitely doesn’t need “journalists” like you defending his behavior and enabling him further.

by Memotown on Feb 8, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Explain, again, when I ever wrote that what he said was OK?

You keep trying to make the argument into something it’s not. This is much, much less about Leaf than it is about how Miller wrote his piece. The point is that it took enough exception to respond because it was Leaf. If he wrote something like that about Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart, I frown and let someone from USC be outraged.

I suppose I could have written just a couple of hundred words instead of 1,100 and said, “Not cool to get mad at someone for calling someone an idiot by calling that person an idiot right back.” But I thought the context was relevant. I guess I can’t control it if someone wants to continually fixate on a red herring.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 8, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Jeff, you don't get to constantly redefine a discussion...

…when you don’t like how it’s going.

YOU defended Leaf with this paragraph:
"With just a little bit of research, it’s pretty clear Leaf wasn’t insulting Riley’s intelligence — as Miller also asserted — but merely his ability to coach an NFL team. If you want to dispute that on the grounds that Riley’s a "nice guy," fine; I’ll just go ahead and point you to the 14-34 record he compiled in three seasons in San Diego."

I’ve clearly stated (above) the reasons why this argument is not only flawed based on Riley and Gilbride’s records as NFL head coaches, but also why Leaf doesn’t deserve your defense in the first place.

But hey, if you want to continue carrying water for a guy who acted like a complete unprofessional (besides being a terrible QB) during his time in the NFL, as well as being a thief and drug addict when he was entrusted to care for college kids, then have at it.

But don’t be surprised when people like Ted Miller describe Leaf like the rest of the world sees him.

by Memotown on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Still fixated on that same thing.

Since Miller’s premise was that Leaf insulted Riley’s intelligence, it’s kind of important to the story. It’s also clear that calling him an idiot was not an insult to his intelligence — idiot can be taken many ways, Miller staked his claim on one of them. But hey, if you want to keep hammering on one paragraph, by all means. Ignore the rest, just like you’ll fixate on a small quote while ignoring the other 800 words of the original story in the San Diego paper.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 8, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

The only person qualifying Leaf's "idiot" statement...

How is it “clear” that calling him an idiot was not an insult to his intelligence?

It surely takes intelligence to be a head coach in the NFL, right? So if Leaf is calling him an “idiot” in regards to being his head coach, he’s clearly questioning Riley’s intelligence on some level.

After all, you say “idiot” can be taken many ways. But can it?

Webster’s says “idiot” is defined like this:
1: usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
2: a foolish or stupid person

Hmmm… not a whole lot of wiggle room there, huh?

But hey, for people who are willing to continually defend Ryan Leaf… no amount of logic is too big to overcome!

by Memotown on Feb 9, 2012 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya, Webster's proves it can be taken different ways.

Foolish (person): lacking in sense, judgment, or discretion
You can still be smart and foolish at the same time. Sense, judgment or discretion don’t go hand in hand with intelligence. I think you just proved Brian’s point that there is multiple meanings.

CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008 | @TheSoCalCoug

by SoCalCoug on Feb 9, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Last comment from me, which reiterates a previous comment

If you can’t see that the post is about Miller and not Leaf, then there’s nothing I can do for you.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Leaf stated that he wasn't calling Riley an 'idiot' in regards to intelligence

but his ability to coach at the NFL level. Leaf had a personal connection to Gilbride, just as any player who is first brought in under any coach at any level. You see it at the college level all the time when a new coach is brought in. The current players don’t have the same connection to the new coach and vice versa. I also don’t see anywhere where Gilbride was defended as to his ability to coach at the NFL level either.
As for items 1 and 2 you listed, neither of those are entirely Leaf’s fault. Its the FO’s responsibility in trading draft picks and negotiating contracts. Leaf didn’t force the Chargers to trade all of those draft picks. It was a calculated risk and it didn’t pan out for either side.

by sdcoug09 on Feb 8, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

How would Leaf know what it takes to coach at the NFL level?

Again, Riley was a .500 coach WITHOUT Ryan Leaf on the team.

Riley has a BETTER overall winning percentage as an NFL head coach than Kevin Gilbride.

So Ryan Leaf didn’t like Mike Riley’s coaching style? Too bad. That’s why you get paid $31 million dollars over four years to play professional football.

Leaf has acted unprofessionally as a player AND a coach, and shouldn’t be pointing fingers at anyone.

by Memotown on Feb 8, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think "acted" is the key work here.

I think most people have moved on except you. I don’t think we will see anything unprofessional from Leaf anymore, he has changed and is continually working to keep it that way. If you don’t see it that way then fine. I know we won’t see or hearing anything from Leaf like we did when he was at WSU and in the NFL. People do grow up. Todd Marinovich has made large strides from where he was to where he is today. I just guess you have a more cynical view on life then most of us on here have.

CougCenter OG since 9/2/2008 | @TheSoCalCoug

by SoCalCoug on Feb 9, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Acee from the San Diego Union Tribune would disagree

He is the one that published the story

Where it didn’t take long to realize what an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk he was back in 1998, it doesn’t take very long in his company now to be sure he is no longer that person.

So maybe you didn’t take your blinders off either? Because a person who has actually been around him and talked to him noted there is a change.

by WazzuCrew11 on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Leaf has fessed up to making a mistake.

And apologized. I wouldn’t be horribly shocked if he is going to (or already has) call(ed) Mike Riley and personally apologized.

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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Feb 7, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Weird

I hadn’t heard this yet, and I’m a Beaver

by scotty256 on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

Being a lifelong Charger Fan

Gilbride and Riley in my opinion were IDIOTS as well as the GM (Bobby Beathard), as a Coug fan I was elated that my bolts drafted Ryan, so excited that I called my grandparents who live in SD and told them to buy me his jersey ASAP, with that being said I was in Ryan’s corner then longer than most Charger fans were, and I again am here, although I also wanted Riley to succeed as well. But I’m surprised that Ryan didn’t bring up June Jones who took over for Gilbride, I thought that’s when he played his best ball his rookie year.

by Cali18 on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 AM PST reply actions  

But still, it doesn't have to do with on-field stuff.

Leaf was so attached to Gilbride because Gilbride was, in essence, Mike Price to him. Contrast the styles of the head coaches: Gilbride was in-your-face and would call players on their crap while Riley was the ho-hum nice guy. Which did Leaf need at the time?

Would it have made a difference? I don’t know. But Gilbride thinks he could’ve fixed Leaf and Leaf seems to think the same.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I honestly wish as a Ryan Leaf/Charger/Cougar Fan back in the day that he could have fixed him..

But the Ryan Leaf and Mike Riley years contributed a little bit to the Chargers landing LT….And now the franchise is in a 100% better shape than it was 15 years ago…aside from the possible move to LA

by Cali18 on Feb 7, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Great, another apology by Leaf...

…and more suckers who want to see a redemption story for their treasured QB.

I agree that people can change, but has Ryan? Who knows, but his motivations are pretty clearly monetary and his “idiot” slip is at best a Freudian one.

You guys have so many better idols of Coug Football past to root for. Don’t waste your time on this guy and don’t enable him by trying to call out Ted Miller for being irrational.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
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